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PostPosted: 18:57 - 01 Feb 2017    Post subject: Chinese Wk125R - jerking while drving. Reply with quote

Hey, new to biking and this forum! I'm new to bikes and have no idea what I'm doing really.

I recently bought a cheap Chinese bike from a friend for £250, wk125r but none of the electrics were working except the starting button (no lights etc). Had it in a garage and the guy said he rewired it all etc and now all the lights and electrics work. Cost £75. Since having that done the battery seems to be dead every morning, meaning it needs a bumb start. As I'm driving it, it jerks back and forward constantly as if its dying. It has even died while slowing down and dies most of the time you stop still for a few seconds. But then it starts back up with the button.. So the battery can't be dead? I don't have a multimeter to check the battery is giving enough power, i will get one tomorrow and check.

Sidenote; The indicators work and turn on while there is no key in the bike. Nothing else does though. Should this be the case? Or could this be the dying issue?

At first i thought it could be bad fuel, since it sat there for close to a year without moving. Added new fuel and still no change.

Got told it could be the spark plug from a friend, haven't checked this out yet, but could this be a cause too?

Could this be a battery issue due to the rewiring/lights getting fixed?

Thanks!
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 01 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like there's a short in the electrics that's draining the battery overnight.

You'll want to use your shiny new multimeter to check for a drain. Although I'd disconnect the -ve terminal and insert the multimeter inline there, rather than risking shorting the +ve.

If it shows any current, then start pulling fuses or disconnecting pieces of the electrics - starter solenoid, indicator relay, CDI - one at a time to identify what's drawing the current.

No chance there's an alarm wired in there, is there? If so, then you'll want to perform this maintenance on it.
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 01 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Sounds like there's a short in the electrics that's draining the battery overnight.

You'll want to use your shiny new multimeter to check for a drain. Although I'd disconnect the -ve terminal and insert the multimeter inline there, rather than risking shorting the +ve.

If it shows any current, then start pulling fuses or disconnecting pieces of the electrics - starter solenoid, indicator relay, CDI - one at a time to identify what's drawing the current.

No chance there's an alarm wired in there, is there? If so, then you'll want to perform this maintenance on it.


Thanks for this, going to give all of this a go tomorrow. Do you think this could also be the cause of the jerking motion while moving too?

Also, are the Indicators supposed to turn on while there is no power at all, the key isn't even in it.

Also, there is no alarm Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 01 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't expect indicators to work if the ignition isn't on, thus I'd suggest pulling the indicator relay when you're doing the draw test.

However, if they come on solid rather than flashing, that may be a weird parking-light feature, so I wouldn't fret over it too much.

The jerking while riding sounds like a loose connection. God knows what your spanner money has done to it. Definitely check the main -ve to earth connection. However, the battery draining is likely to be a short, so I'd address that before chasing after other problems.
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 01 Feb 2017    Post subject: Re: Chinese Wk125R - jerking while drving. Reply with quote

leehindle93 wrote:

I recently bought a cheap Chinese bike from a friend for £250,


1. A Chinese bike is only cheap if it cost less than a pint.

2. A Chinese bike with non working electrics is only cheap if you are paid to take it away.

So, could it be the cause of the jerky motion? Of course it could. Electrickery is funny stuff. You wouldn't believe some of the things I've seen happen on ships that should be impossible due to fucked up circuitry. You need to sort that out first. As for your indicators, no. Nothing should work with the ignition switch off.

There, thats a good place to start you initiation into bike mechanics Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 21:07 - 01 Feb 2017    Post subject: Re: Chinese Wk125R - jerking while drving. Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
leehindle93 wrote:

I recently bought a cheap Chinese bike from a friend for £250,


1. A Chinese bike is only cheap if it cost less than a pint.

2. A Chinese bike with non working electrics is only cheap if you are paid to take it away.

So, could it be the cause of the jerky motion? Of course it could. Electrickery is funny stuff. You wouldn't believe some of the things I've seen happen on ships that should be impossible due to fucked up circuitry. You need to sort that out first. As for your indicators, no. Nothing should work with the ignition switch off.

There, thats a good place to start you initiation into bike mechanics Thumbs Up

Oh, and when you go to confession, tell the priest you bought a Chinese bike. 20 hail Marys and 50 self flagellation strokes should expunge the sin in the eyes of God. Brick Wall


Are they really that bad? I'm guess so from some things I've read. I bought it without even checking anything online, which isn't really a great thing to do.

I will check out some of these things tomorrow and If I get nowhere, since it probably isn't worth spending money to fix, I'll probably just get rid of it and find a new bike.

Not really a great start to get myself into biking, haha.

Thanks for the help though!
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 01 Feb 2017    Post subject: Re: Chinese Wk125R - jerking while drving. Reply with quote

leehindle93 wrote:

Are they really that bad? I'm guess so from some things I've read. I bought it without even checking anything online, which isn't really a great thing to do.

I will check out some of these things tomorrow and If I get nowhere, since it probably isn't worth spending money to fix, I'll probably just get rid of it and find a new bike.

Not really a great start to get myself into biking, haha.

Thanks for the help though!


Probably no, though joking aside, you paid way too much for one that isn't running properly.

I hate Chinese bikes with a passion. I bought my son one when he first turned 17. I presumed that being an engineer I could keep it going OK until he decided whether he really liked biking or wanted a car. I checked it over every week for faults etc. Then one day got a phone call, he was in hospital. The chain had snapped and brought him off. A snapped chain on a bike that couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding.

The problem is that the price means learners are the ones that will buy them and learners aren't going to do all the maintenance correctly. A Jap bike will cope, a Chink one wont and will break. Maybe they are better now, maybe not. There are people on here who swear by Chines bikes Shocked

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PostPosted: 21:37 - 01 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

You indicators shouldn't turn on with the ignition off there is a fault with the wiring, my opinion with chinces bikes, there terrible I bought one a few years ago had no end of issues with it, first day lost 2 rear sprocket bolts while riding it home and nearly come off, electrics always play up forever got flat battery, had a leaking tank as it rotted underneath, fuel leaked down bike and onto rear brakes causing brake fault while riding in the end I just scrapped it as it was a piece of shit.
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 01 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a particularly bad bike, I've never seen a happy owner (other than in the very short term) or a nice used example.

Let's not write this WK off just yet.
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 02 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright so, I looked at what he did for the indicators and this is what I see (attachments).

Obviously when the wire is in the hole (first picture) the indicators work without any power or key. In the second picture, they don't work at all.

Is this even safe? Or did the garage do a shit job?

I have no idea where to begin to fix that.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 02 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

leehindle93 wrote:
Alright so, I looked at what he did for the indicators and this is what I see (attachments).

Obviously when the wire is in the hole (first picture) the indicators work without any power or key. In the second picture, they don't work at all.

Is this even safe? Or did the garage do a shit job?

I have no idea where to begin to fix that.


You Paid someone to do that Laughing ?
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 02 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please name and shame the garage, That is fucking awful.
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 02 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that fucking speaker wire? Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 02 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does look like speaker wire !! The garage you took it to, wasn't richer sounds was it? Laughing

Either fix it yourself, or get the garage to do it properly
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 02 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

linuxyeti wrote:
It does look like speaker wire !! The garage you took it to, wasn't richer sounds was it? Laughing

Either fix it yourself, or get the garage to do it properly


Would you really want to send a bike back to a garage that did that? It's beyond crap it's not even amateur it's just clueless.
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 02 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take photos of everything the garage have done without altering anything.

Go back to garage, show them the pictures and demand your money back or else trading standards, solicitors, facebook etc. etc.

That is utterly criminal.
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 02 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a little garage near where I live in Newcastle, it got recommended to me. The guy seemed nice but obviously because i didn't know what I was doing, I didn't realise it was so bad.

At first he said £50 to get the lights working, I agreed. Then it went up to 75 because he rewired something and tightened the chain, I agreed, obviously.

The funny thing is, he rang back a little later and said for another £60, so £135, he would rewired the back of the back too. I told him no. BUT then he rang back again a few hours later and said he done it anyway, for free..


How would I even go about fixing this myself? I've spoke to a few other garages and they've all said it's "not financially beneficial" to pay for it to get fixed.


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You need a wiring diagram for a start. A full one for the bike.

I doubt Haynes make a manual so is there an owners forum where someone has got one?

Then you need to go through the wiring and find every bodge, work out what its for and then remove it. Then you re wire as per wiring diagram and THEN, and only then you start trouble shooting.

As you can see, it isn't a surprise a legit garage has said no to the work. You either do it yourself or cut your losses and sell it on, as is on ebay or gumtree.
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 02 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
You need a wiring diagram for a start. A full one for the bike.

I doubt Haynes make a manual so is there an owners forum where someone has got one?

Then you need to go through the wiring and find every bodge, work out what its for and then remove it. Then you re wire as per wiring diagram and THEN, and only then you start trouble shooting.

As you can see, it isn't a surprise a legit garage has said no to the work. You either do it yourself or cut your losses and sell it on, as is on ebay or gumtree.


Hey, thanks for the reply again. Just called up WK and they emailed me one straight away. Is this what you are talking about?
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 02 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
You need a wiring diagram for a start. A full one for the bike.

I doubt Haynes make a manual so is there an owners forum where someone has got one?

Then you need to go through the wiring and find every bodge, work out what its for and then remove it. Then you re wire as per wiring diagram and THEN, and only then you start trouble shooting.

As you can see, it isn't a surprise a legit garage has said no to the work. You either do it yourself or cut your losses and sell it on, as is on ebay or gumtree.


It's a Small bike, wiring on small bikes is a piece of piss, as there is so little of it and it is easy to access.

If you have seat, panels and tank off just open the headlight bowl and you can see all the wiring

Follow the current from the the positive side of the battery it will likely go to the headlight bowl which it will be the live feed for the ignition switch. If it has electric start it will got to the start relay first then a wire will go to the starter and another wire will go to the ignition. If the indicators are coming on with the ignition off, They must be being power between the battery and the ignition
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 02 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
Polarbear wrote:
You need a wiring diagram for a start. A full one for the bike.

I doubt Haynes make a manual so is there an owners forum where someone has got one?

Then you need to go through the wiring and find every bodge, work out what its for and then remove it. Then you re wire as per wiring diagram and THEN, and only then you start trouble shooting.

As you can see, it isn't a surprise a legit garage has said no to the work. You either do it yourself or cut your losses and sell it on, as is on ebay or gumtree.


It's a Small bike, wiring on small bikes is a piece of piss, as there is so little of it and it is easy to access.

If you have seat, panels and tank off just open the headlight bowl and you can see all the wiring

Follow the current from the the positive side of the battery it will likely go to the headlight bowl which it will be the live feed for the ignition switch. If it has electric start it will got to the start relay first then a wire will go to the starter and another wire will go to the ignition. If the indicators are coming on with the ignition off, They must be being power between the battery and the ignition


They are being powered between the battery and ignition. That 'Speaker wire' you mention earlier? It literally goes from that little black box, to the positive on the battery. Nowhere near the ignition.

I'll take a look and follow all of the wires and see whats what. Thanks for the help though!
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Yes, you should be able to sort it from that. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 02 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

leehindle93 wrote:
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It's a Small bike, wiring on small bikes is a piece of piss, as there is so little of it and it is easy to access.

If you have seat, panels and tank off just open the headlight bowl and you can see all the wiring

Follow the current from the the positive side of the battery it will likely go to the headlight bowl which it will be the live feed for the ignition switch. If it has electric start it will got to the start relay first then a wire will go to the starter and another wire will go to the ignition. If the indicators are coming on with the ignition off, They must be being power between the battery and the ignition


They are being powered between the battery and ignition. That 'Speaker wire' you mention earlier? It literally goes from that little black box, to the positive on the battery. Nowhere near the ignition.

I'll take a look and follow all of the wires and see whats what. Thanks for the help though!



Well there you go then!
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