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rstefanov
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 06 Feb 2017    Post subject: 1991 Suziki Bandit 250cc for first bike Reply with quote

Hello to all!

I am considering to buy an old 91 Bandit 250cc. I will be using it to go to work and maybe travel around EU a bit during the summer.

I am a techie and mechanically educated, so not worried about bike's age. Also it is dirt cheap and I can easily sell it after that for the money I got it if not more...

Do you think this bike is OK for a new rider? I know some people say you should not start on a bike with 4 cylinders engine.

I am 29 years old, 187cm tall and ~76kg. I've tried a couple of bikes while taking courses for my license and the Bandit feels OK to me

I was also looking into 400cc Bandits, same era, but knowing myself (titanium bolts and several broken bones from MTB accidents, because I am stupid) - I think I will be better off starting on something small...
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 06 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

250 bandit is rare, and gutless. a 400 is more common and should be OK for a new rider to be honest.

You'll probably be OK on a 600 Bandit really. Again, even more common than the 400 and not exactly a widowmaker...

I think you'll be bored of the 250 Bandit in no time at all.
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 06 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's practically free then fine and keep it until it's knackered to a point it takes more than tuppence to fix it. Otherwise, I'd stick with something more mainstream as to pay for the privilege of struggling for parts and fixing things I'd not bother. It may be tip top, but it might not be and that's a risk.
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 06 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd mark that as a "Future Classic". Lardy as only Suzuki know how to make 'em, but 45hp at the top end might be giggles.

Intardtubes suggests that it's a unique engine, and even oil filters are engine specific, so I would definitely check out the spares situation if you actually intend to ride it.
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 06 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
I'd mark that as a "Future Classic".


What he says.

If it's cheap I'd be tempted to restore it and shove it in a giant vac-bag.

Though 45 horses, 155kg and a red line ending at 18k sounds pretty amusing.
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 06 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
155kg

https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/suzu/suzuki_gsf250_bandit%2090.htm = 175kg dry

https://www1.synapse.ne.jp/s-hara/bandit/ban-spece.html#spec = 176 / 179kg (not specified)

https://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/suzuki_gsf_250_v_bandit_2000.php = 165kg dry

https://www.motorbikespecs.net/index.dyn?flag=2&model_id=1915328&make=Suzuki = 144kg dry

I'd believe that last one, it sounds the most fun.
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 06 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies Exclamation

MarJay wrote:
I think you'll be bored of the 250 Bandit in no time at all.


I don't think I will be bored easily of something that accelerates faster than most regular cars and can go fast enough to cost your license or even kill you.

Rogerborg wrote:
I'd mark that as a "Future Classic".


That was my thought as well. If I really do get bored of it I can sell it easily or just keep for my gf/kids or something.

Price is 1k Euro, to me sounds really cheap for a working bike considering my MTB costs 4 times that.

The only thing that bothers me is RPM gauge shows max 20k rpm, yet I can't find specs for this version... Is there such 90s model?

I'll go check it out today and will ask the guy who is selling it. If parts here are not difficult to find I am going to buy it are restore it Smile

Here is how she looks:

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PostPosted: 12:46 - 06 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where are you based? Certainly in the UK they are rare as rocking horse dung...
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 06 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

chain is slack!
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 06 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Where are you based? Certainly in the UK they are rare as rocking horse dung...


Bulgaria.

They are not common, but are not the rarest either. Could be a communist thing or insurance costs, who knows... Smile
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 06 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
No chain cover = MOT Fail.

Those who experienced a motorcycle chain snap know why this should and is a MOT fail.


Citation needed.
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 06 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
No chain cover = MOT Fail.

Those who experienced a motorcycle chain snap know why this should and is a MOT fail.


It's a construction and use issue, not an MOT fail.

A copper could do you for not having one but it's not part of the MOT inspection.

Why do you persist in pushing untruths about regulations that don't even apply in shitsville CZ?
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 06 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT200Fan79 wrote:
Why do you persist in pushing untruths about regulations that don't even apply in shitsville CZ?


Well Mr. Rude, missing chain cover is a MOT fail in the shitville and unfortunatelly they won't give you the MOT sticker for the exact same reason. Rolling Eyes

OP is in Bulgaria, not that queendom of yours. Wink
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 06 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best. Queendom. Ever.

I bet your monarchs don't last 6 months before they get rolled over for their bling.
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PostPosted: 23:33 - 06 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Best. Queendom. Ever.

I bet your monarchs don't last 6 months before they get rolled over for their bling.


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PostPosted: 00:40 - 07 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The GSX-R 250 was the worst of all the 250 bikes, boring power delivery. Yes it will rev to 18k, but you will be bored before it gets there.

Hornet 250 is the way to go. On the other hand, being in Bulgaria where 90% of the traffic is agricultural based, I don't think you will be left behind in the traffic light GP.
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PostPosted: 09:20 - 07 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I went to see the bike with a friend - we tried it and we actually bought it. Starts right away, cold, sounds amazing. Chain was aligned, not like in the pictures.

45bhp / 146kg according to papers. I think it will be plenty of fun for a new rider. Smile

lilredmachine wrote:
Hornet 250 is the way to go. On the other hand, being in Bulgaria where 90% of the traffic is agricultural based, I don't think you will be left behind in the traffic light GP.


No 250 hornets or 250 cbrs from same era anywhere near me and I don't want recent 250, because they sound like a lawn mower. BTW agricultural traffic is very rare.
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 22 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

rstefanov wrote:


lilredmachine wrote:
Hornet 250 is the way to go. On the other hand, being in Bulgaria where 90% of the traffic is agricultural based, I don't think you will be left behind in the traffic light GP.


No 250 hornets or 250 cbrs from same era anywhere near me and I don't want recent 250, because they sound like a lawn mower. BTW agricultural traffic is very rare.


Not a modern CBR 250R, a CBR 250RR, y'know a proper one, like mine.

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PostPosted: 19:50 - 22 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had something called a Suzuki Across, which was a 4 cylinder 250 which redlined around 18k ish IIRC. It was fully faired, sports bike style, had a "boot" where the tank normally is, and an undersea fuel tank of a wee 12 litres. And it was bloody purple.

No idea if it ran the same engine, really didn't know a lot about it (or bikes really) back then. But very fun and you could fit a maccas or a six pack in the fuel tank space.

Before that I had a ZZR250. Ok (liked it for being my first bike) but preferred the Across.

Friends had the CBR250RR. That was awesome.
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 22 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do you spend 4k on a bike that wont do 20mph Laughing

Does look in good condition, good purchase. Moar pics required. I imagine everything outside of engine will be common and shared with other models, the cbr250rr has a lot of chinese parts available. 250's were common in Aus as learner machines

lilredmachine wrote:
Hornet 250 is the way to go.


Knowing that you have owned a Cbr250rr. Dissapoint you recommend the hornet Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 23 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

woo wrote:
chain is slack!


can I tell you about chanpal?

I'd call a lightweight 250 making 40something bhp a whole heap of fun on back roads. The fact it a 125 and even a 50cc moped will go fast enough to kill you if you are stupid. I think comparisons between the 250 and 600 bandits begin and end with the name.
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PostPosted: 00:30 - 23 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT200Fan79 wrote:
RhynoCZ wrote:
No chain cover = MOT Fail.

Those who experienced a motorcycle chain snap know why this should and is a MOT fail.


It's a construction and use issue, not an MOT fail.

A copper could do you for not having one but it's not part of the MOT inspection.

Why do you persist in pushing untruths about regulations that don't even apply in shitsville CZ?

Fairly sure I've seen one down as an advisory before.

I wouldn't mind a Bandit 250, in theory at least.
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 23 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
No chain cover = MOT Fail.

Those who experienced a motorcycle chain snap know why this should and is a MOT fail.


Bollocks.

What is a Plastic cover secured by a couple of m4/m5 bolts going to do against a flailing chain? Bear in mind they often take lumps out of crankcases an order of magnitude stronger. The chain guard is there to protect the rider and pillion from getting splattered with grease and possibly to keep clothing away from it nothing more.
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PostPosted: 10:52 - 23 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
GT200Fan79 wrote:


It's a construction and use issue, not an MOT fail.

A copper could do you for not having one but it's not part of the MOT inspection.

Why do you persist in pushing untruths about regulations that don't even apply in shitsville CZ?

Fairly sure I've seen one down as an advisory before.

I wouldn't mind a Bandit 250, in theory at least.


Worlding is as such...

Quote:
Drive chain and sprocket
These will be inspected to check:

that the chain isn’t too loose, tight or worn
that the sprockets aren’t too worn
that the chain guard is secure


Having a chain guard is not specified just that if y9ou do it is secure.
Most MoT testers I'd know would fail a loose one, tighten it up then pass, and give an advisory for a missing one.
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