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Untitled1995
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Failed CBT TWICE! Opinions please? Reply with quote

Honestly im not to sure what to make of all this right now.

First CBT - I was told that i could not go onto the road as a got to close to the wall a few times during the offroad yard training.

Second CBT - Today completed all the yard training perfectly. Was allowed out onto the road part of the training. Once on the road i got a little anxious and stalled the bike a few times at junctions. I was pretty anxious and for some reason this just impaired my clutch control. Within about 15 minutes of starting the road exercise we returned to the school and i was told to rebook a 3rd CBT as i needed more yard training.

Imo this really is a load of shit. Im perfectly fine on the yard and can complete all the training without problems. Clutch control is also excellent on the yard.

Im the sort of guy who feels uncomfortable for 10-20 minutes then gets confident and is fine. Just as i was getting confident on the road they basically pulled me off and said book another CBT. And its not like i made any absolutely reckless mistakes i just stalled the bike a few times. I was told basically to rebook, pay another £135 totaling £410 and to stop being anxious and just calm down. It does not work like that lol. Who does not feel anxious the first time on a bike on open roads?

At £135 per CBT it seems pointless. Because im paying just to redo what i already feel comfortable doing! And then when we get to the roads its just going to be the same thing over... It will take me 10 or so minutes to feel confident then im gonna be failed again before i can even gain enough confidence to not impair my clutch control.

Opinions please fellas? Smile


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PostPosted: 15:39 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't see the problem with them pulling you from the road, clutch control is basically the number one way you control a bike and if you're fucking that up on the road constantly you're dangerous.

It sounds like you need to find a way to overcome your nerves.
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PostPosted: 15:44 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do it on a twist and go, get it out of the way, then practice the clutch when you're not being scrutinised.
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do CBT on a twist & go. Then get a geared bike (if that's what you want) and get the hang of it at your own pace.
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

i crashed the ped into a fence (offroad bit) on my cbt and still 'passed'! haha. Tho tbh my road riding was near enough perfect.

Have you tried doing it on a twist n go? i dont know the rules around this but i did a cbt on a ped and was riding round on my 125 geared practising.

edit: andy and shaggy beat me to it by miliseconds :p
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

tom_e wrote:
I can't see the problem with them pulling you from the road, clutch control is basically the number one way you control a bike and if you're fucking that up on the road constantly you're dangerous.

It sounds like you need to find a way to overcome your nerves.


Basically i was releasing the clutch too fast when starting from a stopped position. Causing the bike to stall at junctions a few times.

I did not stall the bike when changing gears Neutral
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are they making you pay for a whole new CBT each time? If so I'd go somewhere else, sounds dodgy to me.
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

£410, lul what? You could have majority of DAS done for that.

You're being taken for a ride. Go find a different school.
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twist and go, different school.
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

NJD wrote:
£410, lul what? You could have majority of DAS done for that.

You're being taken for a ride. Go find a different school.


Yes they are making me pay £135 each time for a new CBT. Today the instructor just said, don't worry it'll be okay mate, just call up and book a new CBT (For another £135).

If i was to book the third CBT with them i would have spent £405 exactly Sad So far I've paid them £270 for both CBTs.

Tried a twist and go scooter but i've found it harder to control in all honesty. With it being 50cc i find it really unresponsive! But its worth a try i guess if i spent more time training on one. Because to be fair i did only test the scooter for 10 minutes. So i probably didn't get used to it much from the 125cc that i was training on before.


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PostPosted: 15:55 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

tom_e wrote:
I can't see the problem with them pulling you from the road, clutch control is basically the number one way you control a bike and if you're fucking that up on the road constantly you're dangerous.

On a big bike, on my 125 after pulling away I could fully control the power with the throttle.

Yeah find another school. I think some offer a free second go or a reduced rate. F**k paying full price again.
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Re: Failed CBT TWICE! Opinions please? Reply with quote

Untitled1995 wrote:
Honestly im not to sure what to make of all this right now.

First CBT - I was told that i could not go onto the road as a got to close to the wall a few times during the offroad yard training.

Second CBT - Today completed all the yard training perfectly. Was allowed out onto the road part of the training. Once on the road i got a little anxious and stalled the bike a few times at junctions. I was pretty anxious and for some reason this just impaired my clutch control. Within about 15 minutes of starting the road exercise we returned to the school and i was told to rebook a 3rd CBT as i needed more yard training.

Imo this really is a load of shit. Im perfectly fine on the yard and can complete all the training without problems. Clutch control is also excellent on the yard.

Im the sort of guy who feels uncomfortable for 10-20 minutes then gets confident and is fine. Just as i was getting confident on the road they basically pulled me off and said book another CBT. And its not like i made any absolutely reckless mistakes i just stalled the bike a few times. I was told basically to rebook, pay another £135 totaling £410 and to stop being anxious and just calm down. It does not work like that lol. Who does not feel anxious the first time on a bike on open roads?

At £135 per CBT it seems pointless. Because im paying just to redo what i already feel comfortable doing! And then when we get to the roads its just going to be the same thing over... It will take me 10 or so minutes to feel confident then im gonna be failed again before i can even gain enough confidence to not impair my clutch control.

Opinions please fellas? Smile


1) If you were pretty anxious and you stalled a few times you're a potential hazard to other road users and rightly should be off the road IMLO, It's not bullshit. It's Compulsory Basic Training and right now for whatever reasons you're incapable of completing it.

2) As others have said, Different school and/or twist and go

The school do seem to be taking the piss to a degree however.
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

what was the name of the school?
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moo. wrote:
Twist and go, different school.


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PostPosted: 16:13 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
tom_e wrote:
I can't see the problem with them pulling you from the road, clutch control is basically the number one way you control a bike and if you're fucking that up on the road constantly you're dangerous.

On a big bike, on my 125 after pulling away I could fully control the power with the throttle.

Yeah find another school. I think some offer a free second go or a reduced rate. F**k paying full price again.


Honestly mate i feel like they just want to keep me coming back so i'll pay them the £135. From my gathering a good amount of people don't pass on anything like the 1st attempt with this school. The instructor said i was doing very well because they have people coming back on the 8th CBT before they allow them on the road. Yes each time at £135. Shocked

I finally got my confidence on the road and taken off fine with the clutch not being released early. Then they ended the road exercise. Really pissed me off to be honest. Because the yard training does not help my road confidence, which they just want me to do all over again.
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

mudcow007 wrote:
what was the name of the school?


RJH Motorbike Training Manchester.

I'll book a new CBT in tonight on a twist and go. But i do feel this school is taking the utter piss.
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Untitled1995 wrote:
The instructor said i was doing very well because they have people coming back on the 8th CBT before they allow them on the road. Yes each time at £135. Shocked


Holy fucking shit they seen that lot coming a mile off, ditch the school like a fat bird you don't want to be seen with.
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Re: Failed CBT TWICE! Opinions please? Reply with quote

mrmistoffelees wrote:

1) If you were pretty anxious and you stalled a few times you're a potential hazard to other road users and rightly should be off the road IMLO, It's not bullshit. It's Compulsory Basic Training and right now for whatever reasons you're incapable of completing it.

Trying to think off the top of my head what would constitute a fail on your test. I'm fairly certain you can stall twice or have a double stall before failing.

Another fine example of a training school Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

tom_e wrote:
Untitled1995 wrote:
The instructor said i was doing very well because they have people coming back on the 8th CBT before they allow them on the road. Yes each time at £135. Shocked


Holy fucking shit they seen that lot coming a mile off, ditch the school like a fat bird you don't want to be seen with.


Lmao your not wrong on that one mate!

Honestly i don't even know if it was all my fault that the bike stalled. Because on the yard we couldn't get the bike to start after it stalled. And the instructors comment was 'ah hondas. They have a habit of having gearbox problems and don't want to go from 2nd to neutral'.

So i really don't know. I just know that when i did stall it and i knew it was my fault it took us a good 5 minutes to get the bike back into first gear because the fucking gears wouldn't change back to neutral.
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was under the impression with you only get unleashed onto the roads when they deem your not going to dead yourself or someone else?

A guy dropped his bike (er5) on our roadride, I was ok on my Bandit, but we both still "passed"

I didnt know you could fail a CBT?!
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was told when I did my CBT some 16 years ago that the only way they weren't passing me is if I crashed on the road through lack of control.

They're rinsing you out money here Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Re: Failed CBT TWICE! Opinions please? Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
mrmistoffelees wrote:

1) If you were pretty anxious and you stalled a few times you're a potential hazard to other road users and rightly should be off the road IMLO, It's not bullshit. It's Compulsory Basic Training and right now for whatever reasons you're incapable of completing it.

Trying to think off the top of my head what would constitute a fail on your test. I'm fairly certain you can stall twice or have a double stall before failing.

Another fine example of a training school Rolling Eyes


FWIW When I did mod2*, if i can remember rightly it wasnt if you stalled, it was how you stalled, so if you kept control and got it going quickly again then you might get away with it, but if it was a violent stall with loss of control it was pretty much insta-fail.

*I know thats Mod2, not sure if/how it relates to CBT....
Completely agree however should be doing reduced rate on 1/2 day for the road part


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PostPosted: 16:33 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

mudcow007 wrote:

I didnt know you could fail a CBT?!


Technically you can't, it's just a more training required scenario.
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

NJD wrote:
You're being taken for a ride.


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