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mrmistoffelee...
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PostPosted: 15:17 - 09 Mar 2017    Post subject: The shit VFR experience continues Reply with quote

New Reg/Reg
New battery
New generator

Still intermittently not charging correctly to 14.5v ....

Dealer know doesn't know where to go or what to check next. They've offered me an alternative bike (don't want) my money back (don't really want) or they can keep trying to fix this but they dont know how long it will take.

Can anyone help ?
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Kris
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 09 Mar 2017    Post subject: Re: The shit VFR experience continues Reply with quote

mrmistoffelees wrote:


Can anyone help ?


Yeah. Get your money back and buy one that's not fucked. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 09 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I concur wholeheartedly with the above. Honestly, once a problem child, always a problem child.

Electrical gremlins are the worst kind and unless you get someone a) seriously good at what they do and b) actually interested in taking the job at reasonable quids per hour it'll just cost you nothing but time, money and heartache.
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PostPosted: 15:33 - 09 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

A dealer offered you a full refund for a Friday bike and you didn't bite their hand off?

That's like your husband beating you up but offering to walk out the door any time you say so. If you don't take that option then you become complicit in the abuse.
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mrmistoffelee...
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 09 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks gents...

Rather pissed off !!
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 09 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take money.
Run.
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 09 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dealer knows fuck all about motorcycle electrics. A VFR charging system is very simple.

If it's had a new battery, reg/rec and alternator, the problem must be, and always has been, in the wiring because that's the only other componant in the charging system.

Typical dealer shite, replace parts until the problem goes away with no knowledge of how they work or what they do. They employ fitters, not mechanics. Some very simple tests, say 20 minutes with a £5 multimeter would have told them exactly where the problem was on day 1.

Not your problem though. Get your money back and walk away.
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 09 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take money. Demand further compensation - new jacket or whatever - to make up for all the inconvenience.

Tell us the dealer's name so we can avoid
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 09 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recon it's an earthing problem, check or modify the frame to engine earthing .
Yes I specialise in automotive electrics
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 09 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

FFS, you buy from a dealer in case of issues and when you get them you persevere with the stupid choice Laughing

Get money back or different bike before said dealer gets fed up and the real problems start.
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 09 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tankie wrote:
I recon it's an earthing problem, check or modify the frame to engine earthing .
Yes I specialise in automotive electrics


Engine is a stressed chassis member.

Well I reckon it's a corroded wire to terminal connection on one of the wires of the block connector attaching to the reg/rec unit. Almost certainly the red one.

If it was only happening after prolonged periods of thrashing at 3 figure speeds, I'd say it's a heat sinking problem because the frame gets really hot.
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 09 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tankie wrote:

Yes I specialise in automotive electrics


Updates personnel records /borg

Slight hijack, but PM incoming.
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 09 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baggyman wrote:
Tell us the dealer's name so we can avoid

A dealer that's replaced several parts and and is offering a refund?

How much more Peace Of Mind do you want?
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 09 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Baggyman wrote:
Tell us the dealer's name so we can avoid

A dealer that's replaced several parts and and is offering a refund?

How much more Peace Of Mind do you want?


Somewhere on another forum the dealer is moaning about a customer who keeps bringing back a VFR that he can't fix and just won't take a refund, no matter how many times it's offered.
Other dealers are asking for his name so they can avoid.
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 09 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Worth checking the main fuse wire next to the battery, it's a known weak point. Hondasan in its infinite wisdom decided to use dental floss gauge wire for a 20 amp connection and they often melt causing much electrical fuckery.
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 09 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take money and run.

Or take a replacement machine from the dealer. They sound like they're trying to do the right thing.
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 09 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baggyman wrote:


Tell us the dealer's name so we can avoid


While they maybe crap at fixing bikes... At least they are trying to do the right thing for the customer.... Just a shame the customer is well er ......
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PostPosted: 09:13 - 10 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mate had a VFR and had some intermittent electrical issues. I'd been reading some guys blog on building a pole barn, and he also had a Goldwing which he'd had electrical issues with which he traced to corroded earth in a connector block. Apparently a common issue on some Goldwings.
Mate went through his VFR and found a nastily corroded connecter, cleaned it out and dielectric greased it up. Problems disappeared.
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 10 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

A multimeter is one of my principle tools in the workshop.It is worth far more than the £10 that it cost.

But any employed workshop bod should....should know how to use one.

Most often it is a bad or corroded connection.I learnt that in the Navy Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 10 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fizzer Thou wrote:
I learnt that in the Navy Thumbs Up


That and it was your turn in the barrel on Thursdays?
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PostPosted: 00:40 - 11 Mar 2017    Post subject: Re: The shit VFR experience continues Reply with quote

mrmistoffelees wrote:
New Reg/Reg
New battery
New generator



OEM, Chinese or MOSFET?
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PostPosted: 09:01 - 11 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
If it's had a new battery, reg/rec and alternator, the problem must be, and always has been, in the wiring because that's the only other componant in the charging system.


Other than the starter relay yes? See how easy it is to miss something.

These problems usually turn out to be the starter relay corroding internally.
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 11 Mar 2017    Post subject: Re: The shit VFR experience continues Reply with quote

Hong Kong Phooey wrote:


OEM, Chinese or MOSFET?


This. I had an OEM r/r that turned out to be a Chinese clone go wibbly on me a day after I fitted it. Even the pukka OEM ones are shit. Always 'fet and forget (I should trademark that cheesy shit right there)
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 11 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fitted a MOSFET one to my VFR after the original died and the Chinese replacement didn't work from new.

It isn't something the dealer is going to do for you thought - it requires building or adapting a wiring harness to plug it into the loom, I used a Triumph one. You'll be spending at least £100 with no guarantee of fixing the problem.

I would probably return the bike. There could be other problems hiding, and VFRs are fairly complex bikes with lots of small, not very accessible bits that can fail.
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 11 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:

Other than the starter relay yes? See how easy it is to miss something.

These problems usually turn out to be the starter relay corroding internally.


I wouldn't have called it a functional part of the charging system as such.

These problems USUALLY turn out to be the reg/rec. Then they usually turn out to be a corroded wire. I'd put a duff solenoid down near the bottom of the list, bundled in with "earth leakage/short" as far as honda charging system faults go.

Again, easily checked for with a multimeter.
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