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PostPosted: 02:18 - 18 Mar 2017    Post subject: iphone kills man, more murderers could happen Reply with quote
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Assistant coroner Dr Sean Cummings, who conducted the inquest at West London Coroner's Court on Wednesday, is to write a prevention of future death report to send to Apple.


I can see it now, any location you go must be inspected by apple and devices put in place, so your phone just disappears if you go into a location that has water.

tl:dr; Man dies after charging phone with him while in the bath.

Pick your propaganda.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3111249/man-dies-after-charging-iphone-while-lying-in-a-bath-with-the-mobile-resting-on-his-chest/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39307418
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PostPosted: 02:29 - 18 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Darwin Award contender.

(On topic: Who reads the paperwork, if there is any, that comes with a phone?)
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PostPosted: 04:49 - 18 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
mentalboy wrote:
Darwin Award contender.

(On topic: Who reads the paperwork, if there is any, that comes with a phone?)


This, but I don't need to read a manual to not take a plugged in phone charger into a bath with me. I assume the same of toasters too.

I equally wouldn't take my iPhone 7 into water either but only as I don't trust the wizardry of a smartphone you can get wet.

But then I also won't go into a swimming pool with my 600m Swiss diving watch on. You know - just in case.
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PostPosted: 06:20 - 18 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
To me that reads that he had the extension lead resting on his chest, which would make sense as I can't see a anyone getting 'severe burns' from a 5v charger.

Well, stupid is as stupid does. I'm sorry he's dead but I'm equally sorry for those who think the phone or Apple is to blame.
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PostPosted: 07:38 - 18 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Assistant coroner Dr Sean Cummings, who conducted the inquest at West London Coroner's Court on Wednesday, is to write a prevention of future death report to send to Apple.


Why?

If you don't understand that electricity and water do not mix... Then, well its so long from me Rolling Eyes

Mind you it does show the mindset of a typical i-phone user Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:12 - 18 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
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If you don't understand that electricity and water do not mix... Then, well its so long from me Rolling Eyes


Even so, but how does 5V @ 1000MA kill someone?
A charger is only 240V at the socket, I'm not sure how that could get into the phone and even if it could, the RCD would trip and stop it killing him.

Ah I was reading it wrong, I read it that he rested the phone on his chest...

Even so, the RCD should have kicked in.

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PostPosted: 10:18 - 18 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Probably more like death by cord wrapped round neck/stranglewank.
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 18 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Great, one less moron Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 18 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Great, one less moron Thumbs Up

Still too much of them around though.
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 18 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pretty sure this is why they don't fit normal sockets in bathrooms or toilets and normally have a corded switch for the light
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 18 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
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“They should attach warnings. I intend to write a report later to the makers of the phone.”


Yeah, maybe we should have warnings on every electrical device.

"Do not take this toaster into the bath with you!"

Or maybe, people should be expected to take a tiny bit of responsibility for their own stupid actions every so often? This was obviously just a selfless task to improve the gene pool.


I'll start a crowdfunding page for your funeral expenses if you follow his lead?

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PostPosted: 16:42 - 18 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pjay wrote:

Even so, but how does 5V @ 1000MA kill someone?


In the words of bigclive.....

"referenced to the mains" and "poor isolation on this circuit construction"

I'm no electronics engineer but having watched loads of youtube vids of tearing down chinese electronics lots of these things are pretty sketchy, even some items from "decent" brands. It's to do with stuff like how big is the separation distance from the high-voltage and low-voltage areas on the circuit boards, how well insulated is the transformer windings etc?

For example if the transformer is poorly wound with little/no insulating material between the high voltage windings and the 5V ones, a fault developing (like breakdown of the wires insulation) can result in the output having mains voltage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQK2Z0wRND0

This vid shows some of the shoddy design that means that "5V" chargers can be dangerous.
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 18 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
smegballs wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQK2Z0wRND0

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Ah, swilling meths, that's more like it.

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PostPosted: 18:07 - 18 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
FFS can't people go a few minutes without their bloody phone. Evil or Very Mad
What next? Only doing 'it' doggy style so you've got somewhere to rest the bloody thing....
... I mean fair enough with a laptop, working from home you have to multi-task.
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 18 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
smegballs wrote:
Pjay wrote:

Even so, but how does 5V @ 1000MA kill someone?


In the words of bigclive.....

"referenced to the mains" and "poor isolation on this circuit construction"

I'm no electronics engineer but having watched loads of youtube vids of tearing down chinese electronics lots of these things are pretty sketchy, even some items from "decent" brands. It's to do with stuff like how big is the separation distance from the high-voltage and low-voltage areas on the circuit boards, how well insulated is the transformer windings etc?

For example if the transformer is poorly wound with little/no insulating material between the high voltage windings and the 5V ones, a fault developing (like breakdown of the wires insulation) can result in the output having mains voltage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQK2Z0wRND0

This vid shows some of the shoddy design that means that "5V" chargers can be dangerous.


Interesting vid but if the isolation had failed enough to give the guy a 240vbelt down the wire it would have knackered the phone so he wouldn't have needed the charger in the first place.
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 18 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
I won't lie to you, BCF, I'm man-crushing pretty hard on BigClive and his Kawasaki relay box teardown. Wub
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 18 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
I won't lie to you, BCF, I'm man-crushing pretty hard on BigClive and his Kawasaki relay box teardown. Wub


I can see the attraction.
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It's good to know natural selection's still at play.
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 18 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pete. wrote:
Interesting vid but if the isolation had failed enough to give the guy a 240vbelt down the wire it would have knackered the phone so he wouldn't have needed the charger in the first place.


Not necessarily, I think I phones have good protection circuits in them. If you watch the vids of the "USB killers", iphones seem immune despite the very same device instantly killing other laptops, PC's etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQhjzCaJy1c

It killed the charge port and eventually made the device crash, but nothing like the boom you'd expect when putting high volts into a phone.

Of course without autopsying the phone/charger etc it's all conjecture really and I guess theres quite a lot of potential failure modes that could occur.
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 18 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't care how much 'protection' it's got if it gets 240v up the spout it's not going to charge so the guy would have no reason to bring the charger into the bath.
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 18 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Was this Arcane1729? Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:13 - 19 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Why is everyone assuming that the lethal dose came through the iphone charging lead?
Although details are scant, I'm guessing that it may have been the trailing socket that dropped into the bath. This would be carrying an electromotive force of 230v.
If the property is old and the wiring is outdated then it may only have been protected by 30A fuse wire rather than RCD.
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