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PostPosted: 09:20 - 04 May 2017    Post subject: Whiteknights blood bikes Reply with quote

I was driving in to work this morning listening to Radio Sheffield, and a guy came on asking for volunteers for Whiteknight blood bikes.
That got me thinking, I'd love to do something like that - I'm sure it'd be hard work and long hours when required, but what a way to get back into biking whilst also giving something back to society - without having to buy my own bike!
My last bike was a Divvy 900 with all the luggage, so I'm already used to riding the big heavy bikes they use. It's been a few years but I'm sure it'd all come back to me again.

I'd need to do an IAM course, and get a helmet and the full gear again which would be the biggest outlay. Do any of you do anything like this, or have any experience of the 'Whiteknights'? Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 04 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The name alone would put me off.
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 04 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they use their own bikes don't they

I had a chat last year to a Blood Bike outfit in Sheffield while they were at a local fundraising event (not sure if it was the same group as those mentioned above) but they were all volunteers and using their own bikes
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 04 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you ride like a nob on the premise of it being urgent?
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 04 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blood Bikes around my part provide bikes for Volunteers.
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 04 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

rpsmith79 wrote:
I think they use their own bikes don't they


Nah (https://whiteknights.org.uk/#become-a-rider). I wondered about having a look at this myself (not with this particular group), but I'm afraid the hours put me off - it's basically night-time work, all the year round, which doesn't really appeal or fit in to my normal life.
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 04 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snowdonia Rider wrote:
Blood Bikes around my part provide bikes for Volunteers.


Likewise, here they say they provide the bikes and pay for insurance and fuel.

I'm a bit of a night owl and tend to stay up late, get up early anyway.
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 04 May 2017    Post subject: Re: Whiteknights blood bikes Reply with quote

Feasty wrote:
I was driving in to work this morning listening to Radio Sheffield, and a guy came on asking for volunteers for Whiteknight blood bikes.
That got me thinking, I'd love to do something like that - I'm sure it'd be hard work and long hours when required, but what a way to get back into biking whilst also giving something back to society - without having to buy my own bike!
My last bike was a Divvy 900 with all the luggage, so I'm already used to riding the big heavy bikes they use. It's been a few years but I'm sure it'd all come back to me again.

I'd need to do an IAM course, and get a helmet and the full gear again which would be the biggest outlay. Do any of you do anything like this, or have any experience of the 'Whiteknights'? Thumbs Up


Thought about it, even went as far as getting the forms to fill in. But read a lot of stuff online about how little benefit it actually is to the NHS.

Plus they (The ones near me at least) were not actually short on bikers, it was the call operators they needed. People to just sit there by the phone all night waiting for a call to then get in touch with the Blood bike rider on call to get them there etc... Thankless job in rubbish hours... So no one volunteers.

They can have any number of Bikes available but with no operator there are no jobs for them.

This was 2 years ago so perhaps its changed though?
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 04 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Entirely depends on the local group.

ScotsERVS ride bikes that are blessed by The Man as real no-joking emergency vehicles and can use blue lights to be all super-awesome-elite on the rate occasions that they're actually transporting emergency blood or organs.

On the other hand, my understanding is that most of what you'll be doing is screwing an Uber driver or Deliveroo rider over by ferrying patient notes around at ungodly hours and all weathers. You'll be a hero only inside your own helmet. Oh, and expected to spend your weekends chugging at any local event where you can rinse down the public to fund your jollies.

However, you might also get to do breastmilk pickups, so there's always the chance of being asked to assist with the production.
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 04 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:


On the other hand, my understanding is that most of what you'll be doing is screwing an Uber driver or Deliveroo rider over by ferrying patient notes around at ungodly hours and all weathers. You'll be a hero only inside your own helmet. .


That was what I read as well. If it really is emergency stuff (Blood etc) then they don't bother with the more risky blood biker option and send it via helicopter / (real) ambulance.

That put me off tbh. Patient notes or X-rays that could go in the mail to save someone a bit of time.... not really interested sorry.

Although saying that.... I cant find the forum I read it on from the doctor that was saying it... So .... hmmm.


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PostPosted: 12:43 - 04 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a member of Freewheelers, the blood bike group which operates around Bristol and Bath. I do weeknight shifts both riding and coordinating (i.e. taking the calls).

There are different groups working in different parts of the country and they all do things differently so I can only really speak for how we work. Our charity does have it's own bikes (RTs and FJRs), which are all liveried and have blues and twos. As someone has said we hardly ever use them in anger, but just having them there gives the bike huge road presence which means that people generally move over for you anyway.

The shifts that I do mean that I'm on call from 7pm through to 7am for four nights in a row (Monday to Thursday nights). Most nights though I'm home around midnight and don't get called out after that. In an average run of four nights there will probably be one late night call, although shifts vary a lot.

Most of what we transport is blood samples in test tubes rather than bags of the stuff for transfusion. It is generally going from smaller hospitals and clinics to the larger city hospitals that have pathology labs to test it. It is usually urgent in as much as it can't wait for the regular daytime delivery runs. The next biggest thing is medication where patients have been discharged without it and we end up taking it to them at home later in the evening.

There is the occasional notes / x-rays job, but they are pretty rare. The NHS seems to have discovered something called email to solve that problem.

Yes the NHS could pay for a taxi to do a lot of that work, but frankly as long as the public are willing to fund us and we're willing to give the time I'd rather the NHS spent it's money elsewhere.

It's not for everybody, but personally I enjoy riding around on nice bikes doing something useful.

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PostPosted: 12:51 - 04 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting stuff Steve. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 04 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Credit to you Steve, I think it's an noble way of volunteering. Thumbs Up

As for the IAM's, as a confident but no longer regular biker with no bike of my own - do you think this'll make it more difficult for me to pass or to be accepted to do the volunteering?
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 04 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

What happened with the horse? Confused
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 04 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
What happened with the horse? Confused


https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=229199&highlight=

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Just reading that again, can't believe it's nearly 6 years ago already... Shocked
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 04 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Steve, interesting stuff.

Just out of details-obsessed interest, since you're running fleet bikes on shifts, how do you organise handing them over to each other and then getting home again?


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As for the IAM's, as a confident but no longer regular biker with no bike of my own - do you think this'll make it more difficult for me to pass

Er, yes, I'd reckon having no motorcycle is going to make it jolly difficult to pass an IAM motorcycle test. Eh?

Whiteknights expect you to be qualified before applying to them, but I guess there's no harm in asking if you can blag a blood bike for getting your super-leet ticket.

If I were them I'd invite you to do a fair bit of call handling or chugging first as some quid before the quo pro.
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 04 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Feasty wrote:
M.C wrote:
What happened with the horse? Confused


https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=229199&highlight=

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Just reading that again, can't believe it's nearly 6 years ago already... Shocked

Off topic but I'm not scared of Roger Folded arms, did you end up claiming off the horse? Smile I think Fisty had to pay for the sheep that nearly killed him.
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 04 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Horses-are-dangerous discussions are always OK by me.

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PostPosted: 14:15 - 04 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Off topic but I'm not scared of Roger Folded arms, did you end up claiming off the horse? Smile I think Fisty had to pay for the sheep that nearly killed him.


My local firm solicitor ended up claiming off the field owners insurance, since the horse/owner weren't insured and had rented the field to keep it in. In fact the horse owner 'allegedly' had rather a chequered past... Being chased for several grands of none rent payment, used several different names, and previously tried to sell other peoples horses without them knowing! Shocked
I ended up getting about £11k all in... which has disappeared faster than a fast fly riding a cheater on an R1. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 04 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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However, you might also get to do breastmilk pickups, so there's always the chance of being asked to assist with the production.


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PostPosted: 17:02 - 04 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've done this in a previous life and did blue light runs for my local SERV, ironically nearly always in my car rather than bike. If it's needed quickly, car or bike makes virtually no difference in time.
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 04 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

SteveSmith wrote:
I'm a member of Freewheelers, the blood bike group which operates around Bristol and Bath. I do weeknight shifts both riding and coordinating (i.e. taking the calls)

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Our set-up in Worcs, Hereford & Glos is similar to Steve's area. Read all about it here https://www.severnfreewheelers.org.uk It's a big commitment.
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 09 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Feasty wrote:
Credit to you Steve, I think it's an noble way of volunteering. Thumbs Up

As for the IAM's, as a confident but no longer regular biker with no bike of my own - do you think this'll make it more difficult for me to pass or to be accepted to do the volunteering?


Thanks. To pass IAM you'd need at least access to a bike that you can train and do the test on. Like anything, the more you can practice the easier it is to pass, but not having your own bike isn't specifically a bar as far as I know.

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PostPosted: 12:14 - 09 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Thanks Steve, interesting stuff.

Just out of details-obsessed interest, since you're running fleet bikes on shifts, how do you organise handing them over to each other and then getting home again?


It's up to the two riders to work it out between themselves. For example I'm on duty this week, having taken over last night. In that case the guy who was on duty over the weekend rode the bike from his house to mine after work, then I gave him a lift home in the car.

We usually try to arrange the rota so that handovers are relatively local, but it doesn't always work out that way. Like the rest of the organisation it relies on riders' goodwill and flexibility to make it work, but we're all there because we want to be, so there are rarely problems.

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PostPosted: 13:41 - 09 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

SteveSmith wrote:
then I gave him a lift home in the car.

Er, oops, I actually forgot those existed for a moment. Embarassed
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