Daelim roadwin 125 2007 compatible engines

[Oshea1987]

Hi there Terry here. Been on here before but forgot my username and couldn't find it in emails so had to sign up again. I have a daelim roadwin 125 2007. What engines are a sraight swap can be 125cc or 250cc. I had a look online but can't find any posts what so ever on what the engine is a copy of or any that would fit it. Not really got the Money for a new bike yet. So engine swap be the cheapest option at the moment as be fitting it my self. Plus just put new tyres on front and back and bearings. New mirrors. Upgraded bulbs. Carb rubber upjetted it. New down pipe and exhaust. New front and back pads. And new chain adjusters also give it a full service once a month with new plug ect. So surprised engine has went bang And also stripped down faded parts and gave them a sand and a respray. So looking like it came out the showroom but better then breaks on me haha. So kinda go a wee bond with it as its great fun and prob one of the best ones I've enjoyed and looks too. Other wise I would have just chucked it or smashed it we anger lol. So any info be great thank you

[linuxyeti]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/daelim-roadwin-125cc-2006-engine-/292107126889?_trksid=p2385738.m2548.l4275 ??
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[Rogerborg]

Are you familiar with the sunk cost fallacy?

If you post some pictures, we may be able to identify the engine.

However, with it being Korean rather than Chinese, it's possible that it may actually be bespoke.
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[Oshea1987]

I used Leon before he is going to get back to me as its pick up only but he's going to get a price for postage. SO failing that. I was thinking another engine of a different manufacture but not a clue on which ones will fit though.

[Oshea1987]

Sorry what is sunk cost fallacy. Ill get some pictures offline and post them in a moment saves me going down stairs and taken cover off ect

[Oshea1987]

Same bike year and engine can't seem to upload. Pictures from iPad. https://motoprofi.com/imgs/a/a/l/n/a/daelim_roadwin_125_2007_3_lgw.jpg

[Rogerborg]

[Oshea1987]

I'll go down and take a few pictures in a moment I just assumed they would be all the same think I'll have to upload them to Dropbox to get them on here as didn't work a moment ago on iPad. But I'm away take phone to shop for new screen as broke that too not my day yesterday. The engine either blew a valve or piston. As there's no compression at all. There was a slight noise like cam chain rattle before hand and then a big rattle then bike cut out and now starter just spins on its own and doesn't sound like it even touches engine. And there no compression in engine either Thanks

[Evil Hans]

[Teflon-Mike]

Best guess is that ts 'likely' a copy of the Suzuki Marauda motor.

Syptopms of clunk, wing chink, wirr.. err.. dont sound promising. May be interesting to strip the motor down and have a look, but I doubt that it's likely to be a quick, easy and even less 'cheap' fix... but its worth a look.. dead-metal don't get no deader!

It COULD be something 'stupid' like the starter clutch is knackered and starter isn't turning the crank, hence no compression... but I doubt it.

Engine interchangeability?

Bolt for bolt, wire for wire? About the only thing garanteed to fit is another motor from identical and I really do mean identical model of the same manufacturing year, not registration year, and even then, there may be differences.

Beyond that; almost anything is possile, folk have stuffd GSXR1100 engines into pit-bike frames... OK, possibly more accurately they have stretched pit-bike frames around GSXR1100 engines... b-u-t... give me a lever long enough, a bludy big hammer, a handy angry-grinder and a metal glue-gun, and the works your oyster card!

Building show custom's or race specials, this sort of stuff s all pretty common, see Show & Tell. BUT, you have to be pretty perverse to try.. 'specials' are just that; they are rarely worth anything close to what they cost to construct, and usually have a market value less than base 'donor' used to construct them, in pretty 'average' standard condition.

Its a great way to spend time, and money, to make hassle, and make a bike less valuable than you started.... EVEN when what you are starting with is essentially 'scrap'... which, broken for spares, and sold in bits, probably has a greater market value, that it would, even as a relatively average condition, taxed and tested ride-away runner!

Were it on of the generic Chinky built derivatives of a small Honda.... that share 'come' comparability across family engines; whether CG derived, push-rod singles, or XL derived Over-Head-Cam singles, or Benly derived twins; with a common 'design ancestory' they at least share a common 'crank-case to frame' mounting bolt pattern; and you 'might' slot any of the singles from 100cc to 185cc or twins, from 125 to 233cc into the same hole in a frame, without having to resort to much, if any, GCSE metal-work with plate and file to bolt stuff together.... making an exhaust fit; lining a carburettor up so it doesn't foul frame rails, and can have an air-filter or join to an air-box, may take a little more engine-you-ity... making wirs 'work'? Well, that will b 'fun'... And IF you are up for that... for the sake of filing a couple adapor plates to bolt motor to the frame, and a bit of igging to move brackets where wanted etc, it's pretty small 'convenience' in the greater scheme... IF you are up for such old-skool 'Hot-Rodding', you may as well start with a clean sheet of paper, and ask NOT what 'will' fit, but what do 'I Want' to fit?.. crack out a tape measure, wander around the breakers, see what's on offer, and get cracking....

BUT... it's NOT going to be quick, easy or cheap; actually making the motor sit in the frame is the 'easy' bit, hard part comes when you want to try and make it 'work'; in the exhausts, carbs, electrics etc... AND pass an MOT, or if you mod heavily enough a 'Single-Vehicle-Approval'...

To achieve what? A bike NO-ONE but you will see the 'value' in; that you will only get the value from riding.. IF you actually achieve something 'ride-able'... A-N-D can find any-one to insure something not in their listings, that rather questionably started life as a low performance commuter bike, with frame, brakes and suspension probably only just adequate to contain even that low level of power, that now is a complete unknown quantity, with an engine twice the size or more, and however many times the power to stress it....

Yo u will have spent a lot of moey to make a cheap bike, even less valuable, more expensive to run, more expensive to insure, and likely as anything, even harder to live with and more uncomfy to ride!

IF you have a licence to ride a 250cc 'special' you must have a licence to ride a 535 Viagra, sorry, VIRAGO... if you like that 'style' of bike.. the defacto 'my first cruiser' and very useful every day commuter.... A-N-D older, tattier examples of that particular model, tart from as little as a couple of hundred quid, 'ride away'; Sort of money, the pile of scrap* you currently have, could probably command, asis, punted off on e-bay 'spares or repairs' by virtue of the 125 badge and suggestion some-one can slap an L-Plate on it.

* I say 'Pile of Scrap', its not derogatory, or an insult, BUT that s a fact you have to accept. Right here, right now, it is NOT a working, viable, road-legal motor-vehicle... it is SCRAP.

So, bottom line is, can you make anything out f that 'scrap', is it worth making anything out of, do you WANT to make anything out of it?

IF you want an every day usable vehicle, quickly, cheaply and with as little hassle as possble; puntng on the dodo you have, spares & Repairs; adding the cash you dont spend on trying to fix or hot-rod it, and upping your budget to something in the £700 region, WHICH, if truth be told, is likely still less than what hot-rodding the hyacinths would ultimately take, to make whatever out of it; you get, tidy, ride-away wheels, with far more 'oomph' f that's what you want, than any small-bore hot-rod is likely to have; that works just like its supposed to, doesn't scare insurers, and aught be relatively easy to live with, without lifting a spanner to it...

THAT is the base-line. That s what you could have, and have soon, and for similar money, and without getting your hands grubby, and with some surety it'll do the job.... and probably do it cheaper, with less hassle; Crickey 535 Vera's probably even cheaper to insure!

NOW ponder your dreams, hopes and schemes for the Hyacinth... WHAT do you really hope to achieve?

Idea of finding a 'take-out' engine from another scrapper, that will, 1/ slot straight in, is to start pretty optimistic. IF you can find an engine that will slot straight in, it's still no quick and easy job. Then there are no guarantees that even a drop straight in engine actually will; risk that it has differences that mean carbs or exhaust dont match up, or wiring isn't plug for plug compatible, all present risks and hassles. A-N-D aspiration that such a 'salvage' job, will be 'economical', are at best optimistic. Cold harsh pound notes; a take out engine may be cheaper than a rebuild on existing IF it can be rebuilt; but, typical breaker-prices don't make that particularly economically viable, and they often command a good proportion of the cost of a whole bike, for such major assembly; It WOULD be more 'economical, to go looking for another, complete, possibly damaged, but running 'Spares or Repairs' bike to use as donor; certainly reduce risk, and if/when you come to niggles like cabs, 'zorst or electrics, have some alternatives bits that might help work-around niggles; good chance might even be 'easier' to fix the Spares or repairs 'runner' with bits from your pile of scrap than wicky worky... BUT either which way about, you still have a LOT of work, and almost certainly a lot of hassle, to get back to where you were 'just' before your bike went bang... with absolutely NO grantee that what has just cost you a shed load of blood, sweat, tears, hassle and money, WONT go bang ten minutes up the road, just like what you had before....

But, least cost, least risk, THAT is probably the best you can hope for; and all in, £200-£300 to get you a motor off the bay, or a spares & repairs donor of gumtree; plus odds and sods along the way, as needed, whether it's bullet connectors or new cables, or oil, or spark-plugs or exhaust studs, gaskets, sticky tape and scissors! All comes into the all-in costs to get you back to square one.

THAT, plus the salvage value of the scrap-you-have.. takes you into ride-away big bike terratory, whether 535Viagra, or ER5's or old Suzuki GN250's, Honda 233 'Nighthawks', or whatever!

And that is the back-to-back, looking at the 'least-risk' salvage of the scrap-you-got, without rampig that risk, trying to make 'more' of it hot-rodding the thing with a non original motor, either to try save pennys on parts or make something 'more' of the deal, with a 'bigger' little motor.

THAT harsh analysis really does beg suggestion the question you ask IS probably the wrong one. Ideas, ambitions, plans and scemes you have are taking you down a path that is very very unlikely to achieve anything of what you probably hope for... back up, look at the matter again, from scratch, NOT emotionally with the affection you may have once had for the bke you had that once might have worked... BUT looking at it for what it is, here and now.... scrap....

And do you really need a project, do you want a project, and if yes to both...do you even have the first hope of being able to see a project to completion? If so, get on with; if not, look at the alternatives, and what you really need, before what you probably want, and then at what you have to get it...

I really think you are asking the wrong question, here.
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[Oshea1987]

Here are some photos of the engine. I think I'm getting a 4K miles one from Leon in post and then rebuild my other engine maybe not sure and then I need to finish my custom GPz 500 full restoration with zx9r back end it's a 1998 with 13k miles but not had much time for it to get finished. And sold. I don't have my full licence yet but I don't mind putting a 250cc in its only double my size not like it's noticeable bar engine numbers and I've never been pulled in the whole 8 years or so and I'm out at all times of day and night. Know most of them through work anyways.i was just mainly wanting a good make of engine for reliability and parts. And maybe up size a little for that little extra. And when I say a straight swap was meaning bolting on wise that's the hard part out the way. Then I would get a engine with everything with it wiring harness Cdi carb and so on. The engine I'm going to hopefully get is 80quid and postage about 60quid I just need it to last roughy 15 miles 2 days a week for 9 weeks for a 2nd job that's paying for a new bike hopefully. Thinking of adding a nice cruiser or bobber to my wee collection.

[Oshea1987]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ysma9nh1wtqr57w/DSC_0017.JPG?dl=0

[Oshea1987]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wk8arg8qnp8fu2i/DSC_0018.JPG?dl=0

[Oshea1987]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zwje8mppzrz2g50/DSC_0019.JPG?dl=0

[Oshea1987]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m5v9jzd8axnno7e/DSC_0020.JPG?dl=0

[Oshea1987]

I just like doing it when I'm bored and don't fancy going out. Also with my trade card its comes to ten quid for 2litres of oil and a iridium plug. Some times I've changed the oil twice in a month lol. Only do about 20 miles a day if that.

[Evil Hans]

[Oshea1987]

New engine getting sent out tomorrow. £80 for engine and £19 for postage. can't argue with that. daelim one only done 4K miles. so should last a while and rebuild old one in spare time.

[Oshea1987]

New engine is in done it on Friday. But not getting a spark now. Any ideas.if the starter relay would stop a spark if broken. What should I check when trying to find out why there isn't a spark. Thanks

[Rogerborg]

Nice one.

Everything plugged in that should be? Engine earth is connected and secure? Battery fully charged?

If you're using your existing CDI, coil and HT lead then the only new variable is the pickup coil on the engine, but I'd rule a simple wiring problem out first.
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