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PostPosted: 10:53 - 03 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
To be fair, May had no way to keep EU undesirables out.

Not that she would have anyway, or that she ever will.



Um there is always the comprehensive health insurance rule. Not that this was ever enforced.
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 03 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again wrote:
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To be fair, May had no way to keep EU undesirables out.

Not that she would have anyway, or that she ever will.

Why not?

I think her mind is all muddled from being barren.

Not having bred herself, she can't bring herself to suggest that other British people should. Leadsom had that exactly right.

Thus, she's projected herself as mother of the nation, and imports ersatz children to fill the void in her meaningless, dead-end life.

I pity her as much as I loathe her.
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 03 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
To be fair, May had no way to keep EU undesirables out.

Not that she would have anyway, or that she ever will.


I did not meant EU undesirables. I meant why May has handed over back the passports to UK born jihadists to travel freely, fight and create ISIS in Lybia and elsewhere? Initially the passport have been confiscated and they were under home orders by security services. Then all changed in 2011.

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/15314062.Manchester_AtrocityMay_presided_over_open_door_policy_for_Libyan_terror_suspects_fighting_Gaddafi/
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 03 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Val wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
To be fair, May had no way to keep EU undesirables out.

Not that she would have anyway, or that she ever will.


I did not meant EU undesirables. I meant why May has handed over back the passports to UK born jihadists to travel freely, fight and create ISIS in Lybia and elsewhere? Initially the passport have been confiscated and they were under home orders by security services. Then all changed in 2011.

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/15314062.Manchester_AtrocityMay_presided_over_open_door_policy_for_Libyan_terror_suspects_fighting_Gaddafi/


Or looking at it another way, MI5 were allowing them to volunteer to remove themselves from the gene pool, by fighting a proxy war for them against a dictator they wanted taking down.

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Belal Younis, a British citizen ,was stopped under ‘Schedule 7’ counter-terrorism powers on his return to the UK after a visit to the Libya in early 2011 and asked by an intelligence officer from MI5 if he was “willing to go into battle?”

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PostPosted: 13:28 - 03 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
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Why not?

I think her mind is all muddled from being barren.

Not having bred herself, she can't bring herself to suggest that other British people should. Leadsom had that exactly right.

Thus, she's projected herself as mother of the nation, and imports ersatz children to fill the void in her meaningless, dead-end life.

I pity her as much as I loathe her.


The thing is, what the majority of us seem to think is the EU tell us what we do, to the letter of the law. As is seen by other countries interpretations and implementation, they tell you what to do, and the country writes it into their law.

Much like the hoo-ha a few weeks ago with the implementation of some driving laws and penalty tickets, the other member countries can fine UK drivers because they can retrieve the owner details, whereas we can't because we've implemented the whole 'driver responsible, not the owner' bullshit.

We should be pointing the finger at the lack of competence within our government and civil service. Same with the free movement of people.
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 03 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again wrote:

The thing is, what the majority of us seem to think is the EU tell us what we do, to the letter of the law. As is seen by other countries interpretations and implementation, they tell you what to do, and the country writes it into their law.

Much like the hoo-ha a few weeks ago with the implementation of some driving laws and penalty tickets, the other member countries can fine UK drivers because they can retrieve the owner details, whereas we can't because we've implemented the whole 'driver responsible, not the owner' bullshit.

We should be pointing the finger at the lack of competence within our government and civil service. Same with the free movement of people.


It's not an optional extra of being being the EU you know?
Cameron tried renegotiating this to add an "emergency brake", they told him to feck off.

A bit like the ECHR, you don't have to be an EU member state to sit under it's jurisdiction, but you can't be in the EU and not abide by the rulings of the ECHR.

The EU brings us many things, it also dictates uncontrolled immigration and ECHR membership, both of which I'd prefer us to have a choice or control over.
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 03 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
Jewlio Rides Again wrote:

The thing is, what the majority of us seem to think is the EU tell us what we do, to the letter of the law. As is seen by other countries interpretations and implementation, they tell you what to do, and the country writes it into their law.

Much like the hoo-ha a few weeks ago with the implementation of some driving laws and penalty tickets, the other member countries can fine UK drivers because they can retrieve the owner details, whereas we can't because we've implemented the whole 'driver responsible, not the owner' bullshit.

We should be pointing the finger at the lack of competence within our government and civil service. Same with the free movement of people.


It's not an optional extra of being being the EU you know?
Cameron tried renegotiating this to add an "emergency brake", they told him to feck off.

A bit like the ECHR, you don't have to be an EU member state to sit under it's jurisdiction, but you can't be in the EU and not abide by the rulings of the ECHR.

The EU brings us many things, it also dictates uncontrolled immigration and ECHR membership, both of which I'd prefer us to have a choice or control over.


A lie allowed to propagate because of idiots like you.

Nowhere does it say 'Thou shalt let each and every single person in or else'. Go and do some reading for a change.

And then realise it's the implementors that are the problem.
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 03 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
you can't be in the EU and not abide by the rulings of the ECHR.

Actually, you can.

We're been ordered several times by Strasbourg to give the vote to all prisoners - kiddy fiddlers, terrorists, and even worse, recreational drug users - and we've just ignored them.

The Vnuk ruling was over 2 years ago, but we still haven't changed our insurance laws.

Sadly, we're still in the EU.

The issue isn't what the ECHR (Convention and Court) say that we can't do, it's with spineless politicians who lack the will to just ignore the unelected, unaccountable, anti-democratic despots infesting Brussels and Strasbourg, and actually take action to protect decent British people from Salafist insurgents and invaders.

For example, we could use mass internment camps.

Gasps of horror! Suggested by UKIP? Tommy Robinson?

Nope, muslim immigrant Tarique Ghaffur.
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 03 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are the current limitations or restrictions on voting?
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 03 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again wrote:


A lie allowed to propagate because of idiots like you
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Nowhere does it say 'Thou shalt let each and every single person in or else'. Go and do some reading for a change.

And then realise it's the implementors that are the problem.


So we have control over immigration from the EU then? We can just close the borders when the numbers hit a certain level? I'd love to see the proof of this, maybe you could bring it in by Unicorn?

Or are you just saying we can deny access to known criminals?
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PostPosted: 17:29 - 03 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What are the current limitations or restrictions on voting?

A convicted person during the time that he is detained in a penal institution in pursuance of his sentence or unlawfully at large when he would otherwise be so detained is legally incapable of voting at any parliamentary or local government election.

https://fullfact.org/law/votes-prisoners-politics-versus-human-rights-law/
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 03 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So referendums? Razz
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 03 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
Jewlio Rides Again wrote:


A lie allowed to propagate because of idiots like you
.

Nowhere does it say 'Thou shalt let each and every single person in or else'. Go and do some reading for a change.

And then realise it's the implementors that are the problem.


So we have control over immigration from the EU then? We can just close the borders when the numbers hit a certain level? I'd love to see the proof of this, maybe you could bring it in by Unicorn?

Or are you just saying we can deny access to known criminals?


If it was implemented correctly, we could have massively restricted our intake. It was one of the few things I learned of use from my time studying EU Law. That and Cassis de Dijon(sp). Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 03 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

We could have massively restricted our intake by just restricting our intake, and ignoring the toothless gnashing from Brussels. It's not like we're a net beneficiary where they could threaten to withhold our EUro-dole money.

The problem is that we lack the political will to do so. It doesn't matter which government we get next Friday, it'll be an open borders, pro-"diversity" regime that will continue to let in every Excitable Ethnic from here to Timbuktu.
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 03 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
We could have massively restricted our intake by just restricting our intake, and ignoring the toothless gnashing from Brussels. It's not like we're a net beneficiary where they could threaten to withhold our EUro-dole money.

The problem is that we lack the political will to do so. It doesn't matter which government we get next Friday, it'll be an open borders, pro-"diversity" regime that will continue to let in every Excitable Ethnic from here to Timbuktu.


Exactly. Time folk sat down and had a think about who the real issue is: the EU or our lots lack of skill in implementation.
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 07 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black Pigeon on the #ManchesterOneLove event.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffHUG5rv1Mo
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PostPosted: 11:17 - 07 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Black Pigeon on the #ManchesterOneLove event.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffHUG5rv1Mo

9 minutes? Is there a money shot?
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 07 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 08:33 - 16 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did I say Hero Tramp was looting the bodies? I opined it IRL. Tuts were tutted, so cynical.

Anyway: Hero Tramp was looting the bodies.

Gas him. Nothing of value will be lost.
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PostPosted: 09:00 - 16 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brilliant Laughing Top class tramping.
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 16 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Much like the hoo-ha a few weeks ago with the implementation of some driving laws and penalty tickets, the other member countries can fine UK drivers because they can retrieve the owner details, whereas we can't because we've implemented the whole 'driver responsible, not the owner' bullshit.



Mate borrows car, speeds but you pay? - only in the EU, we are more enlightened.
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 16 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnnythefox wrote:
Much like the hoo-ha a few weeks ago with the implementation of some driving laws and penalty tickets, the other member countries can fine UK drivers because they can retrieve the owner details, whereas we can't because we've implemented the whole 'driver responsible, not the owner' bullshit.



Mate borrows car, speeds but you pay? - only in the EU, we are more enlightened.


I believe it's more to do with us refusing to share owner details with the EU. "Driver responsible but not the owner" is irrelevant. If they could get the details of owner, they can ask who was driving.

This refusal to share details is why the rest of Europe no longer have to pay the Dartford Crossing charge or abide by UK speed limits.
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 16 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Did I say Hero Tramp was looting the bodies? I opined it IRL. Tuts were tutted, so cynical.

Anyway: Hero Tramp was looting the bodies.

Gas him. Nothing of value will be lost.

Compo for the victims out of his fundraising money? https://www.gofundme.com/3dgkuj-help-chris-parker
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 16 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Compo for the victims out of his fundraising money? https://www.gofundme.com/3dgkuj-help-chris-parker

He'll have blown it on crack and lawyers.
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 16 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Posted this before but it still makes me smile: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40198272
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