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Now, now, be seriouse.
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B5234FT Brolly Dolly
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barrkel World Chat Champion
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Who has opinions you care about, and how do you signal to them?
In any given social group, there will be some kind of ranking, but it's often specific to the purpose of the group and not necessarily indicative of a ranking outside the social group. OTOH, you probably care more about the opinions of people within the social group than random nobodies in the rest of the world, so it's probably more, not less, important.
When you're breaking into a social group, there will be jostling to establish rank, so everyone can work out who exactly you are. That's when you need signifiers the most - whether they be material or behavioural. Once you've established yourself, the need for signifiers declines quite a bit. If you fail to establish a position, you're probably better off finding a new group of people than reset people's expectations, or at least don't try again for a few years.
Then there's the prejudices that organizations have and use to shortcut decision-making. Whether it's customer service, talking to the police, interacting with government bureaucrats, or facing justice in the courts - you'll be treated differently depending on how your signifiers categorize you in the prejudices of the people you're dealing with. It's worth being strategic here; it's better to be treated as something you don't identify with and get what you want than the other way around. If you're on the phone, it can be worthwhile being extra clear with your enunciation; if meeting officials, pay particular attention to dress and grooming; etc. OTOH, if dealing with an electrician, plumber, mechanic etc., it'll pay to be more down to earth and relatable.
As to what "class" you are, I'm not sure the word has meaning independent of how you are treated by people whose reaction you care about. I think it's useful to be different things to different people. Don't pigeonhole yourself ____________________ Bikes: S1000R, SH350; Exes: Vity 125, PS125, YBR125, ER6f, VFR800, Brutale 920, CB600F, SH300x4
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So posh accent on the phone and cockney when talking to a builder? |
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Perhaps it depends on whether you prefer watching The Only Way is Essex, or Made in Chelsea.
Both accents make me gnaw my knuckles in angst, but tend towards Chelsea as being the less insulting sound to my shell-likes ____________________ Not nearly as interesting in real life. |
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Status, or status signalling?
I come from middle class roots in a working class scummy town. Always left me a bit lost overseas as the English speakers are always middle class, due to education and aspiration.
But therein lies the next point, the ower of the holy trinity…
Ambition, Competence and Intellect.
I suspect we disdain those with a significantly lower figure on those as beneath us, and personal wealth could be a good rough indicator of those three
But, fyi, status seems to be more about elevation in dominance heirarchies and increasing responsibility, such that a CEO ishigher status than a better paid fund manager. ____________________ Top cat
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I think in-groups and social divisions will always exist. Particularly at the moment (or perhaps for a while now) it seems easy to point at rich people as 'the bad group'. For a long time it's seemed to be much cooler/easier to talk about how poor you are or how hard you work/worked for something, rather than admitting being wealthy whether through hard work or idle inheritance. Overall it never seems impressive to boast of how wealthy you are. Not sure if it's a British cultural thing, or a general human trait.
That's just in general society though, in an 'everyday interaction' sense. I think terms of finding employment in the UK, though it may not necessarily be perfect, we do a pretty good job of treating people on merit, experience and requirement. I certainly haven't known anyone who ever complained of workplace troubles because of their perceived social status.
Generally these days it's more a case of just not being too much of a dickhead.
There is still definitely an ultra-rich class who are in something of a bubble though. The ones we call 'Tarquins', who stereotypically end up at Eton then Oxbridge, then walk into top political jobs or similar. David Cameron and George Osborne spring to mind. 99% of the UK aren't like this though.
From a more personal standpoint, I like to think I've seen a fair variety of 'social class' positions in my own life. My mum's side of the family are (or were) ultra-rich, posh-talking, cigar-smoking aristocratic types of yesteryear who you barely see in existence any more. My dad's side are all working class types from up in Greenock. As a kid I saw a lot of the wealthy side (not financially - my dad had his own job which he'd worked up from scratch - but I rubbed shoulders with them a lot), then bad things happened and we spent a fair few years not even being able to afford heating in a cold rented farmhouse in a field in in the middle of nowhere. I often wonder how my life would have gone if things were a little different. For example, my cousin was paid £35k a year of illegitimately funnelled family business funds to 'help her get by' during university. Meanwhile my brothers and I went to work at supermarkets etc to save up for whatever little things we wanted in life, and my parents had close to naff all for about a decade. Through this experience, I know there is the overly-rich-and-undeserving class of society out there, but aside from that I don't see any huge difference between those on low, middle or even 'fairly high' incomes. We're all just proles trying to get by.
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Is there no-one left in the world who is just comfortable with who they are anymore? ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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There's definitely a who had it worse off competitiveness amongst poorer people, I guess if it was who was best off that would be a short argument Can't say I hear people talking about how hard they worked for something, new cars etc. are normally purchased on finance, the last time was probably someone I know saying he had to save for ages for a car (save his benefits ). The same muppet used to moan about his JSA being taxed. |
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I'm reasonably comfortable in my own skin.
Probably BECAUSE I float between all levels of the Brit social strata.
I'd like to be better off, financially.
But that's about all.
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Although my acceptance of the underclass relies heavily upon my acceptance that "a bit of gentle lawbreaking growing weed for fun and profit" counts in the modern idiom as "work".
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 7 years, 114 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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