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Tout simplement pièce et parcelle de vivre dans une grande ville.
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Eighteen convictions. How many slipped through the net?
It does beg the question: where is the dividing line between a gang, and a culture?
Of course, the m-word doesn't appear, and the i-word only in a name.
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Just seen Jewlio on the news. Local (Muslim) councillor saying that telling Asian communities they have to deal with the problem's like telling white people they need to deal with Jimmy Savile  He also said it was an opportunity to educate people, using Islam  |
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| M.C wrote: | He also said it was an opportunity to educate people, using Islam |
Indeed, I think it is important to understand what islam says about women and their place.
Quran (4:11) - (Inheritance) "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females" (see also verse 4:176).
Quran (2:282) - (Court testimony) "And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women."
Quran (2:228) - "and the men are a degree above them [women]"
Quran (5:6) - "And if ye are unclean, purify yourselves. And if ye are sick or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it"
Quran (2:223) - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..."
Quran (4:3) - (Wife-to-husband ratio) "Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four"
Quran (53:27) - "Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names."
Quran (4:24) and Quran (33:50) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage. Note that the verse distinguishes wives from captives (those whom they right hand possesses).
Hadith and Sira
Sahih Bukhari (6:301) - "[Muhammad] said, 'Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her intelligence.'"
Sahih Bukhari (6:301) - continued - "[Muhammad said] 'Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?' The women replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her religion.'" Allah has made women deficient in the practice of their religion as well, by giving them menstrual cycles.
Sahih Bukhari (2:28) & Sahih Bukhari (54:464) - Women comprise the majority of Hell's occupants. This is important because the only women in heaven mentioned explicitly by Muhammad are the virgins who serve the sexual desires of men. (A weak Hadith, Kanz al-`ummal, 22:10, even suggests that 99% of women go to Hell).
Sahih Bukhari (62:81) - "The Prophet said: "'The stipulations most entitled to be abided by are those with which you are given the right to enjoy the (women's) private parts (i.e. the stipulations of the marriage contract).'" In other words, the most important thing a woman brings to marriage is between her legs.
Sahih Bukhari (62:58) - A woman presents herself in marriage to Muhammad, but he does not find her attractive, so he "donates" her on the spot to another man.
Sahih Muslim (4:1039) - "A'isha said [to Muhammad]: 'You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses'" These are the words of Muhammad's favorite wife, complaining of the role assigned to women under Islam.
Abu Dawud (2:704) - "...the Apostle of Allah said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone's throw."
Abu Dawud (2155) - Women are compared to slaves and camels with regard to the "evil" in them.
Ishaq 734 - "As for Ali, he said, 'Women are plentiful, and you can easily change one for another.'" Ali was raised as a son by Muhammad. He was also the 4th caliph. This comment was made in Muhammad's presence without a word of rebuke from him.
Ishaq 878 - "From the captives of Hunayn, Allah's Messenger gave [his son-in-law] Ali a slave girl called Rayta and he gave [future Caliph] Uthman a slave girl called Zaynab and [future Caliph] Umar a girl to whom Umar gave to his son." - Even in this world, Muhammad treated women like party favors, handing out enslaved women to his cronies for sex.
Ibn Ishaq 693 - "Then the apostle sent Sa-d b. Zayd al-Ansari, brother of Abdu'l-Ashal with some of the captive women of Banu Qurayza to Najd and he sold them for horses and weapons." Muhammad traded captured women for horses.
Al-Tirmidhi 3272 - "When Allah's Messenger was asked which woman was best he replied, 'The one who pleases (her husband) when he looks at her, obeys him when he gives a command, and does not go against his wishes regarding her person or property by doing anything of which he disapproves'." (See also Abu Dawud 1664)
Tabari VIII:117 - The fate of more captured farm wives, whom the Muslims distributed amongst themselves as sex slaves: "Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself... the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims."
Tabari IX:137 - "Allah granted Rayhana of the Qurayza to Muhammad as booty."
Ishaq 969 - "Lay injunctions on women kindly, for they are prisoners with you having no control of their persons." - This same text also says that wives may be beaten for "unseemliness".
Tabari Vol 9, Number 1754 - "Treat women well, for they are [like] domestic animals with you and do not possess anything for themselves." From Muhammad's 'Farewell Sermon'.
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| M.C wrote: | Just seen Jewlio on the news. Local (Muslim) councillor saying that telling Asian communities they have to deal with the problem's like telling white people they need to deal with Jimmy Savile He also said it was an opportunity to educate people, using Islam |
Ah, I see. So they see raping a child as "educating them to the ways of Islam"?
Was Saville like the Aarons? There was an organised gang of 18 of them?
How about the 28 from Huddersfield? The many hundreds more form gangs all caught over the last 15 years? Rochdale, Rotherham, Oxford, Halifax etc...
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| jnw010 wrote: | John Humphreys on the Radio 4 Today programme this morning actually stated the problem was with Muslim communities and that the problem wasn't being tackled due to political correctness, as a question to a guest. Guest was typically vague "yes, some communities need addressing"
The bulk of the interview was about paying a paedo as an informer though, and how wrong it seems. |
This is the slant from most news outlets now. Divert attention away from the Muslim attacker, to the victims. Never mention M or I.
Last night had a story about the Manchester Islamic Extremist bombing. All about the victims, nothing about the attacker. No mention of the M or I words....
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| Rogerborg wrote: | | M.C wrote: | He also said it was an opportunity to educate people, using Islam |
Indeed, I think it is important to understand what islam says about women and their place.
Quran (4:11) - (Inheritance) "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females" (see also verse 4:176).
Quran (2:282) - (Court testimony) "And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women."
Quran (2:228) - "and the men are a degree above them [women]"
Quran (5:6) - "And if ye are unclean, purify yourselves. And if ye are sick or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it"
Quran (2:223) - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..."
Quran (4:3) - (Wife-to-husband ratio) "Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four"
Quran (53:27) - "Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names."
Quran (4:24) and Quran (33:50) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage. Note that the verse distinguishes wives from captives (those whom they right hand possesses).
Hadith and Sira
Sahih Bukhari (6:301) - "[Muhammad] said, 'Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her intelligence.'"
Sahih Bukhari (6:301) - continued - "[Muhammad said] 'Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?' The women replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her religion.'" Allah has made women deficient in the practice of their religion as well, by giving them menstrual cycles.
Sahih Bukhari (2:28) & Sahih Bukhari (54:464) - Women comprise the majority of Hell's occupants. This is important because the only women in heaven mentioned explicitly by Muhammad are the virgins who serve the sexual desires of men. (A weak Hadith, Kanz al-`ummal, 22:10, even suggests that 99% of women go to Hell).
Sahih Bukhari (62:81) - "The Prophet said: "'The stipulations most entitled to be abided by are those with which you are given the right to enjoy the (women's) private parts (i.e. the stipulations of the marriage contract).'" In other words, the most important thing a woman brings to marriage is between her legs.
Sahih Bukhari (62:58) - A woman presents herself in marriage to Muhammad, but he does not find her attractive, so he "donates" her on the spot to another man.
Sahih Muslim (4:1039) - "A'isha said [to Muhammad]: 'You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses'" These are the words of Muhammad's favorite wife, complaining of the role assigned to women under Islam.
Abu Dawud (2:704) - "...the Apostle of Allah said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone's throw."
Abu Dawud (2155) - Women are compared to slaves and camels with regard to the "evil" in them.
Ishaq 734 - "As for Ali, he said, 'Women are plentiful, and you can easily change one for another.'" Ali was raised as a son by Muhammad. He was also the 4th caliph. This comment was made in Muhammad's presence without a word of rebuke from him.
Ishaq 878 - "From the captives of Hunayn, Allah's Messenger gave [his son-in-law] Ali a slave girl called Rayta and he gave [future Caliph] Uthman a slave girl called Zaynab and [future Caliph] Umar a girl to whom Umar gave to his son." - Even in this world, Muhammad treated women like party favors, handing out enslaved women to his cronies for sex.
Ibn Ishaq 693 - "Then the apostle sent Sa-d b. Zayd al-Ansari, brother of Abdu'l-Ashal with some of the captive women of Banu Qurayza to Najd and he sold them for horses and weapons." Muhammad traded captured women for horses.
Al-Tirmidhi 3272 - "When Allah's Messenger was asked which woman was best he replied, 'The one who pleases (her husband) when he looks at her, obeys him when he gives a command, and does not go against his wishes regarding her person or property by doing anything of which he disapproves'." (See also Abu Dawud 1664)
Tabari VIII:117 - The fate of more captured farm wives, whom the Muslims distributed amongst themselves as sex slaves: "Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself... the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims."
Tabari IX:137 - "Allah granted Rayhana of the Qurayza to Muhammad as booty."
Ishaq 969 - "Lay injunctions on women kindly, for they are prisoners with you having no control of their persons." - This same text also says that wives may be beaten for "unseemliness".
Tabari Vol 9, Number 1754 - "Treat women well, for they are [like] domestic animals with you and do not possess anything for themselves." From Muhammad's 'Farewell Sermon'. |
You are Dr. Quack and I claim my 72 British non-muslim virgins.
Have them all washed and sent to my bed-chamber.
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| hellkat wrote: | I've not read this thread AT ALL.
It does not have a title that tempts the general passer-by to enter.
What does the hashtag title mean, anyway? |
Nothing To Do With Islam, the phrase that's usually trotted out when muslims go snackbar, or mass ficki-ficki.
Mental Problems is the current fad, but this Channel 4 propaganda piece goes another way:
"The one common factor seems to be a shallowness of their connection with their faith. So these people are either converts, recent converts to Islam, or people born Muslim but who've only – to use an associated phrase – been 'born again' relatively recently and come to an interest in their faith relatively recently. It seems from the research that the deeper your knowledge and understanding of Islam, the less likely you are to travel."
Which means that jihadists tend to be those who have actively chosen islam. If I were given to liberal sloppiness, I'd turn that around to suggest that people who actively choose islam tend to become jihadists.
But that would be lowering myself to Jewlio's level.
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It's a strange subject matter to try and make a drama out of, although being channel 4 probably not. They were involved in Road to Guantanamo, the tale of UK lads who accidentally end up in Taliban country. At the time a Muslim college mate was surprised I had seen it, as if it was an underground propaganda film or something 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0905mk3/bbc-news-at-ten-09082017 - 5.10 for the bit I was referring to above |
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