Cars on motorcycle licence

[chrisjose1913]

Hello, I am doing my cat A motorcycle license soon. currently, I cannot afford to do my full car test anytime soon. Anyway, I am looking to have something for winter use, to keep me out of the rain. Now I am aware that I can drive a 3 wheeler like the Robin ETC. However i was reading up about these micro cars 4 wheels.

I am not sure if a quadricycle can be used by people who passed their test after the changes in 2013 or just people prior. As far as i am aware you can drive them on the AM licence but limited to a dangerous 28 MPH. does this entitlement carry on to a Full A motorcycle licence or is it limited to AM. also are power limits better.

I really need help understanding this
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[Beehive Bedlam]

How can you afford to buy a reliant and insurance if you can't afford to get a car licence?

I'll hazard a guess that you're just being lazy or quite possibly a serial fantasist.

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[chrisjose1913]

[Ted]

You can't drive a reliant on a bike licence. This changed many, many years ago.

Once you have a full category A licence you will be able to drive/ride a motorcycle based trike (as opposed to a car based trike).

You will also be able to drive/ride a quad bike, and other small 4-wheel vehicles of limited size, weight and speed, possibly like old milk floats.


The days of being able to drive cars on bike licences, and bikes on car licences, are long gone. In short you need to take a test for the vehicle you actually want to use.


If in doubt about what you can drive, the DVLA have all the info on their website. Including the licence checker which tells you exactly what your own licence covers.

[Moo.]

Didn't this all change in 2013 rules?

See previous: https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=264013

Have tricycles a.k.a Robin Reliant been put in the the A category now?

The topic above contains an email from DVLA on Reliant on Cat A's
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[Rogerborg]

Not serious thread is not serious.


Category AM
You can drive 2-wheeled or 3-wheeled vehicles with a maximum design speed of over 25km/h (15.5mph) but not more than 45km/h (28mph).

This category also includes light quad bikes with:

unladen mass of not more than 350kg (not including batteries if it’s an electric vehicle)
maximum design speed of over 25km/h (15.5mph) but not more than 45km/h (28mph)


That's your whack. Full A gives you nothing more, unless you want to build a shed on top of a trike.

I guess you could always BMW C1:

https://i.imgur.com/24AW9Ib.jpg
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[Moo.]

Points to note:

1. You no longer need a car licence to drive/ride a three-wheeler you need a motorcycle licence.

2.Provisional B1 entitlement to ride/drive a three-wheeler has been withdrawn from all riders, even if they were using a three-wheeler prior to 19.01.13. After 19.01.13, a provisional licence will only cover riders to ride motor tricycles if they have a physical disability.

3.The rules apply to all three-wheelers regardless of wheel configuration i.e. two wheels at the front and one at the back or visa versa.

Sauce: https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q504.htm

And DVLA website:

Category A
You can drive:

motorbikes with a power output more than 35kW or a power to weight ratio more than 0.2kW/kg
motor tricycles with a power output more than 15kW

Sauce: https://www.gov.uk/driving-licence-categories

More sauces: https://sites.google.com/site/fifersrelianthintstips/licence-requirements-for-3-wheelers-4-wheeled-vehicles-up-to-400kg-unladen-or-550kg-if-intended-to-carry-goods



Still as clear as mud...
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[Polarbear]

[RhynoCZ]

IIRC the UK is the only EURO spec country, that requires you to wear a motorcycle helmet in/on the BMW C1, which kind of takes away the advantages of such contraption for many businessmen, who need a quick way of getting around (or at least that's what I got from the promo videos back then).

Back to OP, do not even bother with the AM ''cars''. I get it, that AM ''cars'' have better inssurance rates, than for instance a used Micra, Peugeot 106 or whatever is the tiny 15+ years old car of choice of young Brits. If you look at the used cars market, then you'll see how ridiculous the AM ''cars'' segment is. Check the Aixam for instance. The electric ones are cheap for a very good reason, by the way.

I know the Land of Beer is quite different, but the AM ''cars'' are the same, pricing and being crap. The cheapest Aixam (1999, diesel) is in the Land of Beer for the same money, as two alright small engine hatchbacks from the same year.
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[Ted]

Just to clear up some confusion, remember that a 'motor tricycle' is a bike with 3 wheels.

A Robin Reliant is a car with 3 wheels.

If in doubt check the logbooks.

You need a bike licence for a bike, a car licence for a car. Simples (as far as the OPs questions go)

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And while discussing three-wheelers, who else here is old enough to remember the awesome(?) 'Sidewinder' sidecar of the '80s!? Anybody have one?
(For the uninitiated, when the 250cc limit for learners was scrapped back then, the powers that be cleverly left a loophole in the law (yes I know, who'd have thought?) which still allowed learners to ride anything fitted with a sidecar... the rest is history

Most commonly seen attached to 250LCs and Superdreams IIRC.
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[Ted]

^ I found out about these recently!

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