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Ebbs73
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 31 Aug 2017    Post subject: Chain breaker / splitter to borrow Reply with quote

Good evening

I've just bought a new sprocket and chain set for my zx6r .

Wonder If anyone local would have one I could borrow in exchange for a few beers .
Peterborough area , I'll collect and return of course

Thank you

Chris
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 31 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

tell me as... Occupation: Gas engineer .. who exactly would you trust to lend expensive tools to .. and what would you say to some one on the tools on the cadge ???

I bought my own ..
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 31 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cut the old chain off or grind off two rivets and punch it out, don't bother with splitters.
Put the new chain on, use a punch and hammer to secure the ''master'' link (not sure what's the right English term).

The easiest way of how to remove a chain is to grind off one of the rivers, they are quite soft, compared to the actual links. You don't even need power tools.

EDITED: Two rivets, sorry, forgot that.
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Copycat73
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 31 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:

The easiest way of how to remove a chain is to grind off one of the rivers, they are quite soft, compared to the actual links. You don't even need power tools.


point of order .. both rivets ...usin a hand held grinder and a splitter makes removing the plate easy..

re-assembling the way you suggest is possible ... I`ve done it ... but its easier with the correct equipment..
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 31 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, having the proper tools always makes the job easier and quicker, but OP has none of that. However, I do bet OP has got a file, punch and hammer. Smile
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 31 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oi copycat , I'd help someone , good to help plus you gain another contact but I take your point completely .

Just fed up of buying endless tools that I use once in a blue moon .

I've done the rivet thing before but thought I'd ask .

Off to the shops tomorrow FFS .

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PostPosted: 21:21 - 31 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're not far from me, if you want to come to Kettering to pick it up, you can borrow mine Wink

I recommend you do as above, do not use the tool to split as you will more then likely break it. Grind the rivets off to break it...
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 31 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hacksaw gets through chains in no time Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 06:15 - 01 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moo. wrote:


I recommend you do as above, do not use the tool to split as you will more then likely break it. Grind the rivets off to break it...


This. Lent my Laser chain tool to a mate and broke the pin trying to remove it. Not best chuffed.
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PostPosted: 07:50 - 01 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The tool will pay for itself after a couple of uses.
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PostPosted: 07:56 - 01 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I loaned out my chain tool twice - one person cross threaded it and I had to re-tap it and the other lost it and dragged his heels replacing it.

I can understand why people are wary about loaning out tools.
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PostPosted: 10:21 - 01 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

B0ndy wrote:
The tool will pay for itself after a couple of uses.

Depends if you're talking a cheap one for hollow rivets or a Whale for solid.
Used to be a fiver or less (donation to their beer fund) to rivet a chain using the local garage's Whale tool. Vs the nigh on £100 to buy one new, that's a lot of uses before you've recouped your losses.
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 01 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the offer moo .


I have a battery grinder so I'll have a go .

If it goes pear shaped I'll buy a new change and pop to moo's .


Thank you gents
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 01 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Depends if you're talking a cheap one for hollow rivets or a Whale for solid.
Used to be a fiver or less (donation to their beer fund) to rivet a chain using the local garage's Whale tool. Vs the nigh on £100 to buy one new, that's a lot of uses before you've recouped your losses.


don`t know if you`ve noticed now ..but back-street dealers like that are now extinct ... dealers don't stock specialist tools .. or if they do they have one in the back ... why sell the tool when they can charge what they like .. so one or two use (s) will pay for it..

and in any case .. who da fcuk wants to take a swing arm into a workshop just to get the link riveted ?
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 01 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was a main street dealer, albeit an independent with a 'back street' feel.

Why would I take just a swing arm in?
Press plate on and ride over (gently) always did fine.

They're still going strong - possibly helped by being that rare place that genuinely cares about their work over short term profits.
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 01 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:


Why would I take just a swing arm in?
Press plate on and ride over (gently) always did fine.


because the endless chain goes through the swing arm .. well it does on my machinery... all the three of them..

I`m gonna ask ... which bike did this happen ...cos mine would rip the link apart..

PS .. all "back street" are long gone round here.
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PostPosted: 20:08 - 01 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grind off old one, attach new one, ride to garage.

Bikes I've done it on or know people have done it on...
ZX6R, down-geared R6, CBR400, Massively down geared ZX9R with 143rwhp* as four I can remember off-hand.

Of course all were ridden gently there - however, with the forces acting in 90 degrees to the angle the plate is pressed on and that rivet link plates normally need a good bit of force just to press the plate on, it shouldn't be a big issue unless you're really stupid.

*First gear was 'how high' not 'how fast' when turning the throttle.
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PostPosted: 07:19 - 02 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I`ve seen footage of a chain in operation .. whip lash best describes it..... I`ve seen pictures of the damage a chain can do to both bike and rider...

your relying on the forces bein at 90 deg.. I ascertain that that will not be the case 100% of the time ..

your playin the odds ... but that's your choice ..

but not mine... this is mine .. https://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/Product.do?method=view&n=409&p=40056&d=124&c=4&l=2&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=Base&utm_campaign=Chain%20Tools&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIm-vy4PqF1gIVrrztCh2yIA-hEAQYAyABEgKoHPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

but I did not pay that much for it.
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PostPosted: 10:47 - 02 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The tool you linked to does hollow links.
You can get a tool that does hollow links just fine for £20 or less delivered.
I'd just buy the tool for hollow links.
You can't get cheap tools for solid links - though some will happily just use a mallet.

I've had chains break etc and know plenty of others that have.
Also know a good few that have done the above. Not heard of anyone having a problem with it.

Again; I'm very happy with the odds if you're riding gently, not being a twat about it. Partly because the pressure needed just to apply the rivet link plate is normally significant.
I'm confident said odds are way lower than other dangers likely to be faced.

Appreciated that it's not totally 90%; however on a new chain there should be massively less side to side play than on a worn chain, which often do move badly.
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 03 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
The tool you linked to does hollow links.

yes..
This tool has been developed exclusively for use with D.I.D's 'ZJ' rivet link only....

which is or will be fitted to my machinery... as ever I paid my money and took me choice ..

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