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 uglyworld333 L Plate Warrior
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 Posted: 13:46 - 28 Oct 2017 Post subject: 10 litres of petrol in 40 miles |
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Hey guys,
Bought this 2008 zx6r from a dealer the other day (not official kawasaki daeler). It has 19000 miles on it, and I straight away noticed a problem with this bike (it was delivered, and I trusted the dealer saying that the bike is in good running condition, as I know I have a warranty and can return it anytime I want). At first the bikes revs would stay at 3k rpm when revved up and then go back down in about a second or so. So I took this bike to kawasaki dealer and they said they will probably have to balance out the throttle bodies. Now an even bigger problem has popped up, the bike did 40 miles of riding and used up 10 litres of petrol. I called kawasaki again, they said this issue could still be related to the throttle body balance. I will have them balanced this wednesday, but maybe someone here has any idea what could be happening with the crazy petrol consumption? I don't see any leaks on the bike, FI light is flashing but it's because the stock exhaust was removed.
Would appreciate any help. Bike itself runs okay, there is some black smoke coming from the exhaust when revved above 5K RPM, so I am assuming it is running rich, but no way it should be burning that much petrol. As a side note, I will be returning the bike back, if the problems are not fixed by sorting out the throttle bodies or asking the dealer to cover all of the costs. |
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 Posted: 15:11 - 28 Oct 2017 Post subject: Re: 10 litres of petrol in 40 miles |
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| uglyworld333 wrote: | Hey guys,
Bought this 2008 zx6r from a dealer the other day (not official kawasaki daeler). It has 19000 miles on it, and I straight away noticed a problem with this bike (it was delivered, and I trusted the dealer saying that the bike is in good running condition, as I know I have a warranty and can return it anytime I want). At first the bikes revs would stay at 3k rpm when revved up and then go back down in about a second or so. So I took this bike to kawasaki dealer and they said they will probably have to balance out the throttle bodies. Now an even bigger problem has popped up, the bike did 40 miles of riding and used up 10 litres of petrol. I called kawasaki again, they said this issue could still be related to the throttle body balance. I will have them balanced this wednesday, but maybe someone here has any idea what could be happening with the crazy petrol consumption? I don't see any leaks on the bike, FI light is flashing but it's because the stock exhaust was removed.
Would appreciate any help. Bike itself runs okay, there is some black smoke coming from the exhaust when revved above 5K RPM, so I am assuming it is running rich, but no way it should be burning that much petrol. As a side note, I will be returning the bike back, if the problems are not fixed by sorting out the throttle bodies or asking the dealer to cover all of the costs. |
Is it? You know that for sure? So they have removed the O2 sensor and just left it at that? Surely that rings alarm bells with you on how the dealer has prepared the bike? ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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 Posted: 15:44 - 28 Oct 2017 Post subject: Re: 10 litres of petrol in 40 miles |
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| uglyworld333 wrote: | not official kawasaki daeler [...] So I took this bike to kawasaki dealer |
You did what?
Clarify this for me, you already paid a dealer premium for a 9 year old bike, and now instead of calling them and saying "Sort, or refund", you're thinking of flushing Kawasaki main dealer money away at a different outfit to start guessing about what the problem might be?
| uglyworld333 wrote: | As a side note, I will be returning the bike back, if the problems are not fixed by sorting out the throttle bodies or asking the dealer to cover all of the costs. |
Why would they pay the costs for a different dealer to sort it out when you've given them no opportunity to do so themselves? I'm all for sticking it to dealers getting what you paid for, but under the circumstances they'd be right to tell you to do one.
If you want that dealer to sort it, call them and tell them. If you want them to refund, call them and tell them. Don't hold onto it one second longer than necessary and don't let anyone else work on it beyond a diagnosis, which you've already had done (although I imagine it was a wild guess).
Can we see a picture of your bike with a tin of custard, please. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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If I had to guess I would say that there's a hose or a plug off one of the sensors - the air temp sensor or (more likely) the manifold pressure sensor.
Google finds this:
https://www.zxforums.com/forums/mechanical-technical/12891-07-zx6r-fi-light.html
| Quote: | Self diagnosis flow chart:
Turn Ignition off
Turn Ignition on
Display the odometer and Push the mode button
for more than two seconds. The self diagnosis
mode starts.
The service code is then displayed on the LCD
display.
If there is more than one code they should cycle at 2 sec intervals.
Service Code Table
Service Code Problems
11 Main throttle sensor malfunction, wiring open or short
12 Inlet air pressure sensor malfunction, wiring open or short
13 Inlet air temperature sensor malfunction, wiring open or short
14 Water temperature sensor malfunction, wiring open or short
15 Atmospheric pressure sensor malfunction, wiring open or short
21 Crankshaft sensor malfunction, wiring open or short
23 Camshaft position sensor malfunction, wiring open or short
24 Speed sensor malfunction, wiring open or short
25 Gear position switch malfunction, wiring open or short
31 Vehicle-down sensor malfunction, wiring open or short
32 Subthrottle sensor malfunction, wiring open or short
33 Oxygen sensor #1 inactivation, wiring open or short (Equipped Models)
34 Exhaust butterfly valve actuator sensor malfunction, wiring open or short
35 Immobilizer amplifier malfunction
36 Blank Key detection
39 ECU communication error
51 Stick coil #1 malfunction, wiring open or short
52 Stick coil #2 malfunction, wiring open or short
53 Stick coil #3 malfunction, wiring open or short
54 Stick coil #4 malfunction, wiring open or short
56 Radiator fan relay malfunction, wiring open or short
62 Subthrottle valve actuator malfunction, wiring open or short
63 Exhaust butterfly valve actuator malfunction, wiring open or short
64 Air switching valve malfunction, wiring open or short
67 Oxygen sensor heater malfunction, wiring open or short (Equipped Models)
83 Oxygen Sensor #2 inactivation, wiring open or shout (Equipped Models)
94 Oxygen sensor #1 malfunction, wiring open or short (Equipped Models)
95 Oxygen sensor #2 malfunction, wiring open or short (Equipped Models) |
Follow that to identify the cause of your FI light. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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Hi there, will post the error code later on, but I believe that was already diagnose as butterfly valve by the local kawasaki dealership. The reason why I am not asking the dealer that I bought it from to carry out the job, is because like I mentioned they are around 200 miles away, I got my bike delivered. There is also a loud rattling noise with the bike, but as far as I know zx6r tend to have loud CCT noise, and the mechanics didn't find it strange. I was also told that by putting the bike on dyno, would show the possible issue, maybe I should just do that, so I have a proof there is something wrong with the bike? I'll probably end up not touching it though, and just asking for full refund + to pay for picking the bike up from me, because I read that they should cover those costs as well. |
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Let's be clear:
| uglyworld333 wrote: | Question, can the dealer legally refuse to refund me for the bike for whatever reason? |
No, not if you reject it unambiguously and as soon as possible.
| uglyworld333 wrote: | Question, will the dealer refuse to refund me for the bike for whatever reason? |
I'd be pretty sure of it.
However, you might have bought from a dealer who actually knows and is prepared to honour your statutory rights without being forced to by a court.
Among their other customers will be Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and a man-friendly lesbian. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
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