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Major_Grooves · The Doctor Joined: 10 May 2002 Karma :

It did all end in tears. Sad

Accident at the Ace Cafe:

https://www.visordown.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197394
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mchaggis · World Chat Champion Joined: 10 May 2004 Karma :

It was inevitable really wasn't it? If Bendy's video is anything to go by, there're often hordes of people on both sides with people stunting (not always very well) up the middle. Someone was going to get hurt eventually. Let's just hope they catch the guy who did it and then ran away. Thumbs Down

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Sparks! · Sir Tart-a-lot Joined: 30 Aug 2003 Karma :

It was bound to happen at some point.

This case, then yeah completely the riders fault, and such a twat for running off.

However... people are asking for it really by standing so close to the road, you get people running across to the other side all the time and just so many people everywhere... Same with the bassetts accident.

People wouldn't go and stand on the outside of a corner at a race track to watch Moto GP would they? If they did they'd be asking to get hit.

Just my opinion really.. it's 100% the riders fault for the accident, but the crowd don't do any favours as far as safetys concerned, all they gotta do is stand back a few feet away from the road and those kids *might* not have got hurt (maybe they still would have... who knows.)
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Major_Grooves · The Doctor Joined: 10 May 2002 Karma :

Yeah it really was an accident waiting to happen. I have enjoyed watching them so it would be hypocritical of me to criticise the stunters too much, but running away afterwards is just low. Sad

I hate the thought of a wee kiddie lying there with two broken legs screaming in pain. Crying or Very sad

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Shaun · Likes 'em bent Joined: 17 May 2003 Karma :

I've been through this type of conversation before, I fail to see how its the spectators fault that some dude on a bike can't wheelie properly and loses it into the crowd. In the Bassets pole case it turns out the rider had no insurance, license, MOT or tax, he shouldn't have even been on the road but managed to kill a woman, class A prick.

In this case we don't know any details about the rider yet but running off when he has just broken a 12 year olds legs and left another one unconcious, thats low, really low, he should have both of his legs broken for that.

If you want to go and do stunts on a crowded street you have to take a certain amount of responsibility for your actions, its not as if he will get away with it as the van details were handed in, running away has just made it worse for him self. The rider got a broken arm anyway, it wouldn't be hard to find out who went to hospital with a broken arm that day between the hours of it happening etc.

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mchaggis · World Chat Champion Joined: 10 May 2004 Karma :

It's also a public road, whereas WRC and other events are normally on restricted closed roads. Hence driving without due care and attention, not being in control of your vehicle, or stunting full stop is of dubious legality anyway. Add the pedestrians having right of way to that, and especially if they were on the pavements, then you've got a bit of shitstorm to dodge as a rider stunting there.
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Ant · World Chat Champion Joined: 24 Feb 2003 Karma :

i think as a spectator you have to think about where you stand and "what if he comes off?" i'd best not stand there.
Like Bassets Pole last year, the bloke was in the wrong, Did'nt have a licence/insurance/m.o.t like you said shaun, but he had been riding 10 years so if he had all of those the woman would still be dead, but if she was standing the other side of the fence in Mcdonalds car park, then chances are she would of gone home and told her frields that someone through his bike down the road just meters infront of her!

You've goto look after yourself (alough kids are a different thing)
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daz|n00by · The Internet Joined: 11 May 2004 Karma :

pavements are for people! why should they have to be carefull were they stand in a public place? i love the idea of bikers being able to have a good meet and all the fun that goes with it but at the end of the day its a public place and there are certain guide lines that should be respected ,thats my bit of dribble over plus its only my opinion guys. Thumbs Up

btw hope the twat gets whats comming and the kids are gonna be ok!
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edit. thinks like this will only hasten the biker hate and anti bikers out there.THE END IS NIGH!
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instigator · Super Spammer Joined: 19 Oct 2004 Karma :

100% agree with yams. If watching this stunt I would automatically assume to myself that anything can happen and to be prepared for the worst.

The bendy video showed just how daft the crowd was organised/spread out.

This incident can't mean anything good for the ace cafe meet. If tehre will ever be one again.

Shaun · Likes 'em bent Joined: 17 May 2003 Karma :

The kid was 12 years old for fuck sake, the safety aspect of it all wouldn't reallt cross a childs mind that this guy was out there trying to make his penis bigger despite the fact he couldn't actually wheelie very well at all.

I read on visordown that the guy didn't seem very confident in his own ability and a lot of his stunts were very dodgy and you could see fear in his face half the time, the rider shouldn't of being doing wheelies if he wasn't even confident in his own ability.

I know this is a bike forum and bikers should stick together and everything but theres a line, he crossed it when those 2 kids flew in the air!

instigator · Super Spammer Joined: 19 Oct 2004 Karma :

Of course he did, he was a twat, who's defending him here? No-one... Rolling Eyes

When they say "ragged state", what the heck do they mean? drunk? Is it a possibility?

strag · World Chat Champion Joined: 08 Oct 2004 Karma :

Should the Ace cafe and the police take some responsibility for safety? They know this goes on and know that there WILL be an accident. Don't want to be a killjoy but stunts like this on public roads are always going to attract spectators and always going to have some numpty who will stack it into the crowd. As for sticking together, you crash it, take responsibility. The guy that stacked also had his daughter there, wonder if he would have done a runner if it was her he had hit?
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instigator · Super Spammer Joined: 19 Oct 2004 Karma :

I don't think the cae cafe should be held responsible at all if they aren't shown to promote such behavoir...(do they? I dont know...)

Police, no, they can't be everywhere can they...

strag · World Chat Champion Joined: 08 Oct 2004 Karma :

I am not saying they should be held responsible but, they know this will happen at certain meets, such as this. Have you ever seen a sign at the Ace saying don't do it? I haven't. The Ace have a responsibility, moral if nothing else, to make sure that people are safe. Not saying they encourage it but it is not disgouraged either. The Police and local council know it will happen also, end result...closure of the Ace possibly. One possibility may be traffic calming. I enjoy stunts as much as anyone else, but this is not the place to do them, today proved that (think Bassets Pole).
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Shaun · Likes 'em bent Joined: 17 May 2003 Karma :

Ideally people should do them on a safe and controlled environment but since that isn't possible, an empty industrial estate, a road that isn't used, bassically somewhere where there isn't a crowd of people standing at the side of the road.

G · The Voice of Reason Joined: 02 Feb 2002 Karma :

A thought; were the kids standing out in the road?

At the Streetfighters Day last year I heard one bloke say to another "that's so dangerous he almost hit us", as an r1 flew past slightly out of control one wheel.

He was standing pretty much in the middle of that side of the road.

Personally I think people should at least consider the danger they are putting them selves in. If they had done the same on a road without bikes doing stunts, they may well have had a near miss with a car.

I'm sure people must be aware of the risks, but choose to ignore them.

strag · World Chat Champion Joined: 08 Oct 2004 Karma :

yep, people do put themselves in danger, but 12 year olds? They would not even consider it. If there parents/guardians were there I don't know, they may just have been local kids. But anyone who does stunts at meets like this knows the risks. A good percentage of them do not have the ability and just want to show off so are pretty much doomed from the start. People will always watch it standing in stupid places, but it does not make it right that it should go on. Have a look at what Shaun said...
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Aikman666 · World Chat Champion Joined: 20 Dec 2004 Karma :

Thats really poor of the guy to go running off after injuring some little kids. Everone keeps mentioning it, but ive never heard of it before, what happened at Bassets Pole? I hope the kids that got hit are ok, can the guy loose his license for what he done? Does that count as injury caused by dangerous driving (or is that just cars)?
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