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eifion
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PostPosted: 12:51 - 04 Apr 2018    Post subject: How bad would it be to cut across here? Reply with quote

I know it's technically not allowed, but that ignoring that little strip of green would allow me to cut out the Plain on the way home at least.

https://goo.gl/maps/wpu2AJjX4yS2

Looked at it many times and so tempted to cut straight across from Rectory Road, across Cowley in onto Marston Street. They've even put a gap in the island that's begging to be used!
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 04 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bad two fronts.

a) It is part of a cycle lane/path so not permitted for certain class of vehicle.
b) The PoPo may see you. And punch a hole in your savings account. (Coz of above.)
c) Coz it would be cheeky.
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 04 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get off the bike and push. You're a pedestrian then.

I used to do it on this bit regularly. The police have seen me do it more than once and said nothing.

https://goo.gl/maps/RBVRzENRER72
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 04 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would it be OK if he painted over the pedals on the pushbike icon on the ground? Added a petrol tank maybe?
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 04 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Get off the bike and push. You're a pedestrian then.

I used to do it on this bit regularly. The police have seen me do it more than once and said nothing.

https://goo.gl/maps/RBVRzENRER72


Agree, people very rarely (that I can see) take advantage of this often enough! 😀
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 04 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's an advisory, uh... cycle lane.

The words on the road do not create an offence. If they did, then cyclists proceeding straight ahead would already be committing it, since there's no distinction being made.

Do it until you're caught, admit to nothing, then see what, if anything, you're actually charged with.


Aside, I definitely do not ride through here twice daily and occasionally here if I'm feeling frisky.

Despite being 300 yards away from a cop shop, the chances of actually being spotted, stopped, prosecuted and convicted are so small as to not be a real consideration.
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 04 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I would ignore that and ride across it without a care in the world.

If you're worried by it, why not turn left and then do an immediate U-turn? Thinking
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 04 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

On further inspection, to go through the OPs gap, you would have to pass to the right of a keep left bollard, which is an offence for any vehicle, including a push-bike. It is not an offence for a pedestrian though.

Or you could do this:

https://www.bikechatforums.com/download.php?id=100951
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 04 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
you would have to pass to the right of a keep left bollard, which is an offence for any vehicle,


Which I regularly do with these two if the density and positioning of traffic makes it the safer / easier / most progressingest option.

But for some reason sneaking through the two foot of pedalist lane seems cheekier
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 04 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
keep left bollard

Well, 606 turn left, not 610 keep left. But yes, it applies to all vehicular traffic, including pedal cycles.

And now that I think about it, the RTA S36 offence actually says driving or propelling a vehicle, so no pedal-pedal or pushy-pushy. Tut Tut
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 04 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:


Or you could see how fast you can do this:

https://www.bikechatforums.com/download.php?id=100951


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PostPosted: 19:30 - 04 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have the same sort of thing near me. about 2M of path that separates a roundabout from a road that was connected but was then curbed over. would save about 2min of riding for me
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 04 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

J4mes wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:


Or you could see how fast you can do this:

https://www.bikechatforums.com/download.php?id=100951


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looks like a giant red penis, could have done better if you ask me.

I too would follow the red penis route, turn left and immediate u-turn
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PostPosted: 00:29 - 05 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Knowing the junction well, agree with Stinkwheel. But, if it's really busy i might sometimes go a bit further up, wait, then u-turn. Like this: https://www.planetash.net/bcf/erectoryroad.jpg
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PostPosted: 03:37 - 05 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I absolutely do not use this a few times a day, to save going through a set of lights on a 5 min cycle time.
https://i.imgur.com/jaVGC78.png


Only time anyone wouldn't use it is if there was an officer there, common sense really.
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 05 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said above, do it til you're stopped.

I never ride through here to save time... Honest.

https://i.imgur.com/qUB8tUA.png

There's a set of lights just outside the city that will stay red for 5 or more minutes if you're on a bike at night, I always get off and walk the bike through if they're red (crawl the bike in gear with me walking beside)
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PostPosted: 11:27 - 05 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

eifion wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
you would have to pass to the right of a keep left bollard, which is an offence for any vehicle,


Which I regularly do with these two if the density and positioning of traffic makes it the safer / easier / most progressingest option.

But for some reason sneaking through the two foot of pedalist lane seems cheekier


I got 4 x £60 fine for doing similar on Queenstown Road in London. I had been doing it with about 100 other bikes every day for about a year when the council installed a camera and made about £1million by delaying sending the letters a couple of weeks so everyone kept doing till the letters came piling in.

It was lucky on two counts, 1, it was a letter from the council not the dibble so I just got hit in the wallet not on the license and 2, I had holiday booked round the time so even though 4 days was bad enough it could have been much worse.
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 05 Apr 2018    Post subject: Re: How bad would it be to cut across here? Reply with quote

eifion wrote:
I know it's technically not allowed, but that ignoring that little strip of green would allow me to cut out the Plain on the way home at least.

https://goo.gl/maps/wpu2AJjX4yS2

Looked at it many times and so tempted to cut straight across from Rectory Road, across Cowley in onto Marston Street. They've even put a gap in the island that's begging to be used!
I can see no reason to stop you going straight across. The blue horizontal arrow signs on the bollards are supposed to be one way signs, they should have a worded plate under them really, shouldn't be used on their own like that. The road marking between the islands is just an edge of carriageway and a give way. As long as you give way at the first junction and again as you pass through the gap.
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 05 Apr 2018    Post subject: Re: How bad would it be to cut across here? Reply with quote

yen_powell wrote:
The blue horizontal arrow signs on the bollards are supposed to be one way signs, they should have a worded plate under them really, shouldn't be used on their own like that.

The plate is supplementary, not mandatory. But they could have a plate saying "Except cycles".

Which they don't. So they apply to cycles.

Ask the council how many cycles they've FPNd or prosecuted for proceeding illegally through that cycle lane. Whistle
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 05 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure how relevant but a few yards/metres before the junction there are advisory/compulsory road markings (though no signage) that seem to either advise or compel road users to turn left.
What legal clout do such road markings have?
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 05 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Straight across...no fucks given Very Happy

If stopped, play dumb....
"oh your joking! i thought that's what the gap was made for!"

"Sorry about that i will go round in future....." brrraaapppp!
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PostPosted: 07:40 - 06 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raffles wrote:
Not sure how relevant but a few yards/metres before the junction there are advisory/compulsory road markings (though no signage) that seem to either advise or compel road users to turn left.
What legal clout do such road markings have?

None specifically, unlike the blue arrows. I feel free to ignore white arrows on the road where it's convenient.

Of course, there's always due care and attention.
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 06 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

What with it being easter it's not been busy enough to make it worth it this week but I do like the red penis route. Laughing

Edited to add went straight across last night. Zero kitten death occurred.
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