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stirlinggaz
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PostPosted: 10:03 - 03 May 2018    Post subject: INSURANCE HELP after smash (nbr) 'ARRY? Reply with quote

Hii all,
Smashed car Sunday afternoon. I wasnt driving, named driver was.
It was day of local marathon AND council decided to relay some A & B roads.

After driving round in circles for nearly 3hrs we made 1 last attempt at a detour to get to destination.
Bad move. .
Straight road, (Causewead Road, Stirling FK9 5EU if you wanna google it) but cars parked on on both sides.
People staggering around in silver blankets & no shoes, eyes staring at the ground, obvlious to what was going on around them.
zombies on road as pavement being used as impromptu changing rooms!
People walking in front of us, behind us & at both sides of us & we hit a parked car head on.

Done what police ask.(on fone, not interested in attending ) Note on other car left.
Insurance Co. Insurance phoned & been told it's 100% my fault Confused .

Here's where I'm getting confused : car just bought day or 2 before, fully comp ins.(was cheaper even on a car worth peanuts, with £50 excess) .
Policy in my name BUT named driver.
1st ever smash.
Dunno what I should do next.
Car was collected y/day by insurance Co.contractor (co-part)(thank f*ck, was an eyesore)

BIG IMPORTANT QUESTION :

what do I do about ìnsurance?
Was gonna pay monthly, paid initial deposit & set up the D/D.
WHAT DO I DO NOW?
cancel insurance policy?
Why should I keep paying? next installment due in 15days iirc.
Isn't there a cooling off period? or cancellation process.

ANY advice would be gratefully received, really.

Many many thanks,

cheers,
GAZ


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PostPosted: 10:13 - 03 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, so you bought a car, and then took put a brand new policy on said car, so 2 day old car, 2 day old policy,

Not quite sure why you want to cancel the policy, if you are making a claim you need a policy in place to make the claim off, and for the 3rd party to claim off you

Are you expecting the car to be written off or something, hence not wanting to pay for a policy for a car you can no longer drive?

If you do cancel however, and then take out a new policy next week/month etc, you will have to declare the accident, but as you currently have a policy in place, you won't need to declare the accident till next years renewal
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PostPosted: 10:18 - 03 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

You pull your head out of your bottom and look for another car.
Why would it be OK to cancel insurance and not pay?
The insurance was bought on finance. You are STILL using the insurance. It is what will pay for the damage caused by named driver.
You won't stop the finance on the car if you cannot sell it.
You may get offered a settlement for the value of the car.
If it is new you may get cost price.
If used you have to haggle. They will offer dealer p-ex if lucky. But if written off maybe less.
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 03 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

AFAIK, if the vehicle is written off, the policy plus the excess will have to be paid in full before any pay out is made.
The insurers may just deduct the cost of the policy plus the excess from any payout they were going to make. If it's a low value vehicle you'll probably end up paying them!
You cannot just cancel the policy!
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 03 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Typically if you try to cancel after a claim you forfeit the remaining months and don't get a refund - probably need to pay the amendment fee too. If you pay monthly, you have taken out a loan to cover the policy, which has been paid and you are paying the loan off in installments. If you cancel, you must either continue to pay off your loan or pay it off as a lump sum.

They covered your risk of a claim, you claimed, they covered your claim... Why would you be entitled to 99% of your premium back?

Get a new car with FC payout and stop being a helmet.
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PostPosted: 10:41 - 03 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

rpsmith79 wrote:
Okay, so you bought a car, and then took put a brand new policy on said car, so 2 day old car, 2 day old policy,

Not quite sure why you want to cancel the policy, if you are making a claim you need a policy in place to make the claim off, and for the 3rd party to claim off you

Are you expecting the car to be written off or something, hence not wanting to pay for a policy for a car you can no longer drive?

If you do cancel however, and then take out a new policy next week/month etc, you will have to declare the accident, but as you currently have a policy in place, you won't need to declare the accident till next years renewal

Hi,
I want to cancel policy because my car was written off by insurance Co. (on fone).
Insurance Co arranged collection of my car & it's now away.
Why pay ifully comp insurance for a car I don't have?
Genuine questions BTW.

cheers,
GARY
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 03 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're still the keeper. Until that changes, the vehicle needs to remain either insured, or SORNed.

If your insurer writes it off then they should ask you for the V5C and terminate the policy at that point.

Where's the motorcycle in this story?
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 03 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

stirlinggaz wrote:
rpsmith79 wrote:
Okay, so you bought a car, and then took put a brand new policy on said car, so 2 day old car, 2 day old policy,

Not quite sure why you want to cancel the policy, if you are making a claim you need a policy in place to make the claim off, and for the 3rd party to claim off you

Are you expecting the car to be written off or something, hence not wanting to pay for a policy for a car you can no longer drive?

If you do cancel however, and then take out a new policy next week/month etc, you will have to declare the accident, but as you currently have a policy in place, you won't need to declare the accident till next years renewal

Hi,
I want to cancel policy because my car was written off by insurance Co. (on fone).
Insurance Co arranged collection of my car & it's now away.
Why pay ifully comp insurance for a car I don't have?
Genuine questions BTW.

cheers,
GARY


You have taken a year of insurance out on a vehicle, crashed it, and then made a claim. It's not a "pay-as-you-go" system even if you pay monthly. You've taken a loan to cover the cost of 12 months insurance, and are paying back the loan.

You've paid for a service which you have ended up having to use.

The alternative thought to this could be:

Customer wants to cancel their insurance policy for a near-full refund. Why should we pay out on a policy that is cancelled and refunded?
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 03 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have to pay the premium in full even if your car is written off. The only case this might not happen is if it was a 3rd party at fault.
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 03 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrDonnyBrago wrote:
Typically if you try to cancel after a claim you forfeit the remaining months and don't get a refund - probably need to pay the amendment fee too. If you pay monthly, you have taken out a loan to cover the policy, which has been paid and you are paying the loan off in installments. If you cancel, you must either continue to pay off your loan or pay it off as a lump sum.

They covered your risk of a claim, you claimed, they covered your claim... Why would you be entitled to 99% of your premium back?

Get a new car with FC payout and stop being a helmet.


I get your point. But this means I will be paying 10 more payments which add up to more than value of car.
Mi initial though was get another car & try transfer over to new car (+ administration fees) but I have just lost my NCD, I'm being help 100% to blame for a crash where I wasnt even driving!
You may understand/emphasise with my finincial worries on top of no car (with an elderly mother I care for) & I'm a lot of pain, bruises coming out now?

Hypothetical question : what happens if d/d is cancelled & any financial complications settled privately?

cheers,
GAZ
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 03 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
You have to pay the premium in full even if your car is written off. The only case this might not happen is if it was a 3rd party at fault.


3rd party isn't a named driver, no?
As you can tell I have never been involved in an rta where I wasnt a 3rd party.

cheers,
GARY
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 03 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, 3rd party would be if someone hit you
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 03 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

stirlinggaz wrote:


I get your point. But this means I will be paying 10 more payments which add up to more than value of car.
Mi initial though was get another car & try transfer over to new car (+ administration fees) but I have just lost my NCD, I'm being help 100% to blame for a crash where I wasnt even driving!
You may understand/emphasise with my finincial worries on top of no car (with an elderly mother I care for) & I'm a lot of pain, bruises coming out now?

Hypothetical question : what happens if d/d is cancelled & any financial complications settled privately?

cheers,
GAZ


How much damage was to the other car? The insurance will be paying for that to be repaired too. You may not have been driving but the driver of YOUR car was driving with YOUR permission on YOUR insurance. It's still your claim, some insurance will ask if you were driving when you declare the claim. As to weather that makes a difference to the end quote i don't know.

As other have said, you paid for a product which you have used, you cant now expect a refund. Another example, you buy a car on finance drive it off a cliff, do you expect that you can stop paying the finance on the car as you no longer have it?
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 03 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrDonnyBrago wrote:
Typically if you try to cancel after a claim you forfeit the remaining months and don't get a refund - probably need to pay the amendment fee too. If you pay monthly, you have taken out a loan to cover the policy, which has been paid and you are paying the loan off in installments. If you cancel, you must either continue to pay off your loan or pay it off as a lump sum.

They covered your risk of a claim, you claimed, they covered your claim... Why would you be entitled to 99% of your premium back?

Get a new car with FC payout and stop being a helmet.


I get your point. But this means I will be paying 10 more payments which add up to more than value of car.
Mi initial though was get another car & try transfer over to new car (+ administration fees) but I have just lost my NCD, I'm being help 100% to blame for a crash where I wasnt even driving!
You may understand/emphasise with my finincial worries on top of no car (with an elderly mother I care for) & I'm a lot of pain, bruises coming out now?

Hypothetical question : what happens if d/d is cancelled & any financial complications settled privately?

cheers,
GAZ
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 03 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
You're still the keeper. Until that changes, the vehicle needs to remain either insured, or SORNed.

If your insurer writes it off then they should ask you for the V5C and terminate the policy at that point.

Where's the motorcycle in this story?

I am no longer keeper, akaik. Insurance company wrote it off, over the phone, at scene of accidents.
They arranged to come take it away. I no longer have it.

Cheers,
GAZ
BTW I did put NBR in subject I think.
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 03 May 2018    Post subject: Re: INSURANCE HELP after smash (nbr) 'ARRY? Reply with quote

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I get your point. But this means I will be paying 10 more payments which add up to more than value of car.
Mi initial though was get another car & try transfer over to new car (+ administration fees) but I have just lost my NCD, I'm being help 100% to blame for a crash where I wasnt even driving!
You may understand/emphasise with my finincial worries on top of no car (with an elderly mother I care for) & I'm a lot of pain, bruises coming out now?

Hypothetical question : what happens if d/d is cancelled & any financial complications settled privately?

You have taken a loan out.
This loan pays for an insurance policy.
The insurance policy covers for a range of potential risks over (up to) a year long period in that car.

I would guess the insurance policy was partly expensive compared to the value of the car because the named driver was inexperienced and so more likely to, say, drive into a parked car? Smile

If your car is written off, quite likely the policy will be cancelled by them, with no refund for months 'not used'. If it was fully comp, any outstanding payments for your loan may be taken from the payout.
Yes you'd have had more 'value' out of the policy if the car was written off a day before it ended. But the insurance company wouldn't be any better particularly.

If the other driver had taken their own policy out, you wouldn't be in the situation - it's one of the risks you take when you add someone to your own insurance rather than get them to take their own out.
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 03 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
You're still the keeper. Until that changes, the vehicle needs to remain either insured, or SORNed.

If your insurer writes it off then they should ask you for the V5C and terminate the policy at that point.

Where's the motorcycle in this story?

I am no longer keeper, akaik. Insurance company wrote it off, over the phone, at scene of accidents.
They arranged to come take it away. I no longer have it.

Cheers,
GAZ
BTW I did put NBR in subject I think.
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 03 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

natefz6 wrote:


How much damage was to the other car? The insurance will be paying for that to be repaired too. You may not have been driving but the driver of YOUR car was driving with YOUR permission on YOUR insurance. It's still your claim, some insurance will ask if you were driving when you declare the claim. As to weather that makes a difference to the end quote i don't know.

As other have said, you paid for a product which you have used, you cant now expect a refund. Another example, you buy a car on finance drive it off a cliff, do you expect that you can stop paying the finance on the car as you no longer have it?

Hi,
Other car was hit head on, fair bit of damage.
I'm not trying to get of paying the insurance, my head is up ma srse & mind racing.
Thinking, maybe I buy another car, old insurance transfer over (with huge administration fees obviously & I've lost 2yrs of my 4yrs ncd)
That's as far as I've got....

cheers,
GARY
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 03 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

stirlinggaz wrote:
I am no longer keeper, akaik. Insurance company wrote it off, over the phone, at scene of accidents.
They arranged to come take it away. I no longer have it.

As far as the DVLA are concerned, you're the keeper until you tell them otherwise.

I'm sorry that the policy costs more than the value of the car, but it was paid up front by whomever extended you that loan that you're paying off monthly, and you still owe them the full amount of that loan irrespective of what happens with the car or the policy. The two aren't connected.

You'll want to get on to your insurer about a refund of unused policy, but I wouldn't get your hopes up, since the statutory right to cancel during the cooling off period is conditional on not having made a claim, and I expect your contractual right will be too.

Best of luck.
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 03 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

stirlinggaz wrote:
but I have just lost my NCD, I'm being help 100% to blame for a crash where I wasnt even driving!


Not exactly - you have made an at fault claim on your insurance policy. In that case, who was actually to blame for the crash is not really relevant.

(And, technically, loss of NCD only really matters when you come to renew your insurance)
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 03 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

stirlinggaz wrote:
Hypothetical question : what happens if d/d is cancelled & any financial complications settled privately?


On the basis that an insurance premium split across 12 monthly payments is too much, could you afford to pay the other guy's repairs privately? Car repair work is incredibly expensive, especially when other guy goes to WeDuzInsurensWork Ltd, with "free" hire car at the instruction of his claims management company.


I've heard of a few insurance companies outright cancelling the policy once you've made a claim, but most IME will let you transfer a new car to the policy. Premium will be adjusted based on new car and an admin fee, but the crash/NCB shouldn't matter until renewal.


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PostPosted: 12:02 - 03 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
You pull your head out of your bottom and look for another car.
Why would it be OK to cancel insurance and not pay?
The insurance was bought on finance. You are STILL using the insurance. It is what will pay for the damage caused by named driver.
You won't stop the finance on the car if you cannot sell it.
You may get offered a settlement for the value of the car.
If it is new you may get cost price.
If used you have to haggle. They will offer dealer p-ex if lucky. But if written off maybe less.


Hi,
Insurance Co has already written it off. It's away.
They offered a settlement figure, I disagreed & the added another £150! Car wasn't worth as it was, but had great potential (why I bought it)
So you advise looking for another car, cheap if that makes a difference to insurance.
& try get insurance transferred?

cheers,
GAZ
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 03 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evil Hans wrote:
stirlinggaz wrote:
but I have just lost my NCD, I'm being help 100% to blame for a crash where I wasnt even driving!


Not exactly - you have made an at fault claim on your insurance policy. In that case, who was actually to blame for the crash is not really relevant.



Yep, same happened to me. Missus is named driver, had a coming together that's a 50-50, and I now have a claim against my policy which I had to declare for the next 5 years

And on a related note, and to show how crazy insurance is...

Stepdaughter is a named driver on BF's car

Stepdaughter writes of BF's car after hitting another car

Stepdaughter tries to have BF added to her insurance policy so he can use her car

Insurance company refuse as HE is classed as a high risk
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 03 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm expected to declare a prang that Mrs Borg had as a named driver in her mummy bus (with my name on the policy) on my bike policies.

Sorry, too confused, honest mistake.
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 03 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
I'm expected to declare a prang that Mrs Borg had as a named driver in her mummy bus (with my name on the policy) on my bike policies.

Sorry, too confused, honest mistake.


My Mrs bashed my car twice in quick succession as a named driver. I had to declare those on two bike policies. I didn't realise initially so didn't declare them but the insurance co looked up the MID and found them during the setup process (done over the phone) so I got a stuck with it regardless. Doubled the price.

Needless to say the Mrs is now the policy holder for the car.
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