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PostPosted: 16:50 - 10 May 2018    Post subject: Dealer used wrong oil grade Reply with quote
I picked up my bike NC750X DCT (wet clutch) after the second service and have noticed that the engine is a bit jerky. After looking at this online I found that some people resolved it by changing oil. My bike requires 10-30w but the dealer have put 10-40w. Could this have caused any damage to the clutch or engine?
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 10 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
""""""" have noticed that the engine is a bit jerky."""""""
More info, when using the clutch or on the run.
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 10 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
jaffa90 wrote:
""""""" have noticed that the engine is a bit jerky."""""""
More info, when using the clutch or on the run.


On the run, mainly in 2nd and 4th gear.
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PostPosted: 17:41 - 10 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
What oil specification does the manual ask for? I’d be surprised if it was only 10W-30.
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 10 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tbh, that's the sort of Change you'd use for a higher temp area of the world. I can't see it make it more jerky, just Rob a bit of power.
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 10 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
weasley wrote:
What oil specification does the manual ask for? I’d be surprised if it was only 10W-30.


Manual recommends 10w-30. However, there is a tiny picture with arrows that shows 10w-30 and 10w-40, not sure if that means you can use 10w-40 oil as well.

On the other hand, he also over tightened the chain, the slack was supposed to be between 30-40mm but it was set between 22-26mm. Could this have caused some damage inside the engine that could cause jerking? I rode with the wrong slack 100 miles (gentle ride).
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PostPosted: 18:07 - 10 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'd be surprised if it's causing any real problems, and so's my wife.

However, since it's been in to a dealer for that vital peaceomind, I'd fervently, apoplectically, urge that you check that they've actually put some oil in it.

If it's bothering you, go ahead and throw some 10W30 in there, for a fraction of what Honda just mugged you for.
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 10 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Honda states a 10w - 30 oil .. however i have ran a 10w-40 in my cb1000r abs without issue ..
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 10 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Makes no difference. If you look at an oil viscosity chart they all have similar viscosities once they oil reaches about 60 degrees, which is way below normal running temperature.
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 10 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pete. wrote:
Makes no difference. If you look at an oil viscosity chart they all have similar viscosities once they oil reaches about 60 degrees, which is way below normal running temperature.


Could it be then that when the chain was tight something got damaged inside the engine?
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Sweaty_Doughnut wrote:
Pete. wrote:
Makes no difference. If you look at an oil viscosity chart they all have similar viscosities once they oil reaches about 60 degrees, which is way below normal running temperature.


Could it be then that when the chain was tight something got damaged inside the engine?


No I don't think so. Did it make a graunching noise over bumps/dips in the road?
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 10 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nope, it was totally quiet, unless I didn't hear it because of the helmet.
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PostPosted: 00:15 - 11 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
It shouldn't make any difference.
The viscosity has more to do with protection within a temperature range.

You have oil in there within the range your machine will be operating in.

Try getting lessons from a Bike Training Centre. There is usually one in your nearest city.

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PostPosted: 08:03 - 11 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sweaty_Doughnut wrote:

On the other hand, he also over tightened the chain, the slack was supposed to be between 30-40mm but it was set between 22-26mm. Could this have caused some damage inside the engine that could cause jerking? I rode with the wrong slack 100 miles (gentle ride).


As long as the chain has some slack at all positions of the rear suspension travel, throughout the 360 degree rotation of the rear wheel, nothing will be damaged.
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 11 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
MCN wrote:
It shouldn't make any difference.
The viscosity has more to do with protection within a temperature range.

You have oil in there within the range your machine will be operating in.

Try getting lessons from a Bike Training Centre. There is usually one in your nearest city.

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Actually, I went for this course but we didn't cover the interchangeability between oil grades Smile
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 12 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Don't worry about the grade of oil, it's all designed for cold start/hot engine and most 10/30 W 40 is fine. Older engines benefit more from 20/50 semi synthetic. You sure they put the correct stuff in tho for wet clutches?? Some engine oils will ruin a bike wet clutch ...
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 12 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Chris45 wrote:
Don't worry about the grade of oil, it's all designed for cold start/hot engine and most 10/30 W 40 is fine. Older engines benefit more from 20/50 semi synthetic. You sure they put the correct stuff in tho for wet clutches?? Some engine oils will ruin a bike wet clutch ...


I have a DCT clutch. It uses the engine oil.
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 12 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sweaty_Doughnut wrote:
Chris45 wrote:
Don't worry about the grade of oil, it's all designed for cold start/hot engine and most 10/30 W 40 is fine. Older engines benefit more from 20/50 semi synthetic. You sure they put the correct stuff in tho for wet clutches?? Some engine oils will ruin a bike wet clutch ...


I have a DCT clutch. It uses the engine oil.


From what you’ve said the manual permits a 10W-40 anyway, so true but moot point. Do you know what actual oil was used? I’d assume it’s a genuine motorcycle oil that they use in nothing that comes through the door rather than a car or truck engine oil.
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 12 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
They used Castrol Power 1 oil. See the screenshot from the manual. I assume this means that 10w-40 can be used.

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PostPosted: 16:13 - 12 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Do you know what actual oil was used? I’d assume it’s a genuine motorcycle oil that they use in nothing that comes through the door rather than a car or truck engine oil.


My point exactly thanks. There's very little difference between the lubricants for viscosity purposes. All I'm saying is some oils are specifically not for use with wet clutches, a moot point perhaps? I'd be suprised (shocked) if they had used such a lubricant on your bike, but as the guys say... trust-a-dealer? Not likely. I do everything myself, at least I know it's done properly and if it aint, well I only have myself to blame.
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 12 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Chris45 wrote:
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Do you know what actual oil was used? I’d assume it’s a genuine motorcycle oil that they use in nothing that comes through the door rather than a car or truck engine oil.


My point exactly thanks. There's very little difference between the lubricants for viscosity purposes. All I'm saying is some oils are specifically not for use with wet clutches, a moot point perhaps? I'd be suprised (shocked) if they had used such a lubricant on your bike, but as the guys say... trust-a-dealer? Not likely. I do everything myself, at least I know it's done properly and if it aint, well I only have myself to blame.


The dealer is most likely the place to find the OEM facts. This is what dealers (and OEMs) sell.

And some 'not the dealers' can know better than some OEM dealers.

Then some DIYers have enough gumption to DITY.

But some folk just want to ride their bike.

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