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lilredmachine
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 22 Sep 2017    Post subject: Super twin for the road. Reply with quote

So here we are, many of you may have noticed that I am somewhat of a fan of the SV650. I have defended it at times, presented it's advantages at others and now it is time to put my money where my mouth is.

I'm going to build a road focused supertwin based on an '00 SV650.

This is the donor bike:

https://s26.postimg.org/3jtlqxpft/20170912_183602.jpg

https://s26.postimg.org/74pha5tzd/20170912_203531.jpg

The motor is deaded, it doesn't charge and it smokes. It has only done 30k miles but was sat for 5 years and I believe it has a stuck ring/potential cylinder damage. The motor will be replaced.

The bare frame is a thing of beauty, particularly after a degrease.

https://s26.postimg.org/ssefkludl/20170919_165145.jpg

The aim is to lighten the bike to the point of ridiculousness and increase it's handling. Aluminium subframe/clock mount, total loss system with lightened flywheel, relocated battery, race fairings, GSXR front end, matching shock etc. Motor mods will be limited to a cam swap, dynojet, filter, pipe etc.

Living on the Isle of Wight, with some seriously tight roads this should be the be all and end all of weekend warrior bikes.
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 22 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting thread is potentially interesting. Looking forward to seeing progress of this one.
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PostPosted: 23:41 - 22 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least this one appears to have rear suspension Laughing
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PostPosted: 07:16 - 23 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooo I'll be watching this with interest Pass the popcorn
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 23 Sep 2017    Post subject: Re: Super twin for the road. Reply with quote

lilredmachine wrote:
The motor will be replaced.


With what? A Chinese 250cc clone?

Do it properly: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Engine-suit-Suzuki-TL1000S-USED-/122693247346?hash=item1c91166172:g:9cIAAOSw~fpZsnKa
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 25 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not as interesting as the potential twin cylinder CG cafe bike, but hell the man still keeps coming out with fair bike build ideas and machines! Thumbs Up

Would like to see this SV in black and gold with dymag's, Ohlins and a full 100bhp hand grenade motor build, but I'm just being a pervert so carry on as you were. Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 29 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would love to give it the full JHS motorcycles engine treatment but alas, i don't have a 10k budget on this one! As for the TLthou motor, I hate that engine with a passion. For accessible, always there power the 650 has always been a superior motor, particularly on carbs.

If this anyone is looking for stock parts I will have many available. This is/was a relatively straight and clean 30k mile bike, so things like subframes, plastics, front end (could do with a rechrome on forks to be perfect but by no means unuseable) that are so often bent on these as 'first big bike' fodder are in good nick and straight.
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 29 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

lilredmachine wrote:
I would love to give it the full JHS motorcycles engine treatment

That's just round the corner from me, I use them for tyres and MOTs. Always have some epic looking bikes in
various states of build out the front and some really old resto jobs too
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 29 Sep 2017    Post subject: Re: Super twin for the road. Reply with quote

lilredmachine wrote:
So here we are, many of you may have noticed that I am somewhat of a fan of the SV650. I have defended it at times, presented it's advantages at others and now it is time to put my money where my mouth is.

I'm going to build a road focused supertwin based on an '00 SV650.

This is the donor bike:

https://s26.postimg.org/3jtlqxpft/20170912_183602.jpg

https://s26.postimg.org/74pha5tzd/20170912_203531.jpg

The motor is deaded, it doesn't charge and it smokes. It has only done 30k miles but was sat for 5 years and I believe it has a stuck ring/potential cylinder damage. The motor will be replaced.

The bare frame is a thing of beauty, particularly after a degrease.

https://s26.postimg.org/ssefkludl/20170919_165145.jpg

The aim is to lighten the bike to the point of ridiculousness and increase it's handling. Aluminium subframe/clock mount, total loss system with lightened flywheel, relocated battery, race fairings, GSXR front end, matching shock etc. Motor mods will be limited to a cam swap, dynojet, filter, pipe etc.

Living on the Isle of Wight, with some seriously tight roads this should be the be all and end all of weekend warrior bikes.



what you doing with the rear subframe? could do with a new one for mine if its going spare Smile
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 01 Oct 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did a deal for the bodywork with a chap tonight for a bit of cash and a pair of new rearsets, so have pics of first shiny bits.

https://s25.postimg.org/o06deb72n/20171001_192510.jpg

https://s25.postimg.org/oadvxq6a7/20171001_192440.jpg

They are chinese in nature, however they are adjustable, billet, anodizing looks good, gear shift rod is rose jointed and the levers are ballraced. They also have an allowance and mount for a pull type brake light switch and even include a suitable length pull spring.

I believe these are about 85 queenheads on E-bay so if you are considering a set of adjustable rearsets but are put off by 300 quid price tags then take a punt on these.

This appears to be them:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rearsets-Adjustable-Footrest-Rear-Sets-For-Suzuki-SV650-SV650S-1998-2002-Black-/191534499418?hash=item2c9858865a:g:qnYAAOSwNSxVABdI
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 19 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

After a long hiatus, mainly spent sourcing parts and researching I have many updates.

Behold the Chinese bike ramp of shinyness:

https://s9.postimg.org/v0psjglxr/26239119_10156027202993485_8738494835657202288_n.jpg

https://s9.postimg.org/8c0lk075r/26231449_10156027203028485_5419531355604915428_n.jpg

Other than the obviously identifiable suspension/brake parts there is a lightened full charge flywheel/starter clutch that allows standard charging but with a 2lb weight saving over standard, a factory pro stage 2 induction/jet kit with tank spacers and a dedicated BMC 205/10 open top air filter, shorei lightweight lithium battery and front cylinder relocation battery tray and an aftermarket bare ally rad/blue hose kit because bling.

After a bit of blasting/polishing work, new 320mm discs, a tyre and powdercoat:

https://s9.postimg.org/vriip4lpb/26951857_10156059189298485_3967086656379656420_o.jpg

We have a GSXR front end! It is built from 98' 750 SRAD yokes which fit the SV ignition but allow for later style GSXR forks. K4 GSXR1000 forks, SRAD rim, SRAD spindle, titanium caliper and disc bolts with stainless for the yokes and K7 aftermarket clip-ons.

https://s9.postimg.org/e1gu4fnnj/26731738_10156038504783485_3087146822424461730_n.jpg


https://s9.postimg.org/6y8you5db/26734313_10156038505048485_3851807734051467246_n.jpg

https://s9.postimg.org/u0zhni6pb/26230735_10156038504713485_2044412738920321459_n.jpg

In these pics the bike has also sprouted a GSXR 750 K4 shock and an aftermarket bare ally rad. The calipers and master are from an LO (2010) model GSXR600. The fork/caliper combo allows 320mm discs to be fitted without spacers being needed to allow the calipers to clear the discs.

https://s9.postimg.org/6y8yord27/27067685_10156059119803485_7017836290488348381_n.jpg

Rear SV rim in anthracite powdercoat to match the front.

https://s9.postimg.org/kvr4tsg73/26903985_10156059119888485_8762887379957787360_n.jpg

With new supermaxx sport tyre to match the front. I like these tyres, cheap but enough grip and good balance of longevity/performance.

https://s9.postimg.org/hmcpnma6n/26906944_10156059120093485_3082548403090171549_n.jpg

https://s9.postimg.org/ml0826vzz/26733708_10156059120043485_2910391209297461454_n.jpg

Swingarm, stand and sprocket carrier powdercoated satin black.

I am awaiting a delivery of swingarm and rod linkage bearings and then I can reassemble the back end properly.
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 20 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to see it moving forward. No bracing of the swingarm for the extra ponies it's going to have?
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 20 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

If JHS don't consider it necessary with 100+ rwhp I don't think I'm going to run into issues.

https://s9.postimg.org/np7bavezj/seat-unit-bike.jpg

It's nice to see it coming together, and I'm in talks with Gregg Spears in the states about sourcing some more parts for the motor, namely a shift kit, kit headgasket for a bit more squish and maybe a set of APE studs and nuts for the heads. He is trying to get me to buy 41mm flatslides presently but I'm not buying it... Or them. haha.
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PostPosted: 01:09 - 26 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://s9.postimg.org/6t05hwmjz/26994341_10156081605308485_4634098720108138463_n.jpg

https://s9.postimg.org/63hd5k95r/19554803_10156081605498485_8423971850744337198_n.jpg

rolling frame back together with fresh powdercoat.
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PostPosted: 01:02 - 28 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking good so far!
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 29 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking amazing Ben!

I've always said that the SV has loads of potential. The frame is so stiff and light it has the ability to take probably twice the power it has stock. I read somewhere the SV was originally going to be an 800 but Suzuki chickened out after the TL-S rotary damper/frame cracking debacle.

80bhp SV weighing 160kg dry could be something of a back road weapon. If you could get it down to 150kg dry you'd be certainly onto a winner!
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PostPosted: 11:08 - 29 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks good so far.

Should have been an all black frame and swing arm (or all silver...) rather than the mix and match look Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 01:49 - 31 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Looking amazing Ben!

I've always said that the SV has loads of potential. The frame is so stiff and light it has the ability to take probably twice the power it has stock. I read somewhere the SV was originally going to be an 800 but Suzuki chickened out after the TL-S rotary damper/frame cracking debacle.

80bhp SV weighing 160kg dry could be something of a back road weapon. If you could get it down to 150kg dry you'd be certainly onto a winner!


Cheers Marjay (and others). Standard Sv gen 1 is about 185-90 kg with a full tank and about 165kg dry, so it is a light machine. The later models were heavier with the less efficient frame, added emissions gear and added complexity (pump etc.) for the injection system, hence I wanted to build a gen 1. With old school lightening methods (ie drilling the shit out of everything) replacing the massively heavy pig iron subframes with ally equivelants, installing a lightweight titanium exhaust/battery and various other bits and bobs it's quite possible to get these down to 150kg with a tank of juice ready to go.
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 06 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enjoying this, just bought cams for my curvy next time im in it for valves. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 22 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just picked up a cheap sv - be very interested to see if you can get it near 150kgs wet, as that's 130kg dry, which is the square root of fuck all.
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 22 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd expect the nicer looking curvy SV's with that nice alloy trellis frame to be going up in value soon if not already, as being over 20years old they are coming up to nostalgia fuelled purchases.

Swing down the ban hammer, but I think I'd rather a cheap SV project bike than a much rougher but more expensive LC350 project now. Some old bikes really aren't worth the inflated values now, but I guess it comes down to what you had in the day and that's all that'll do it for you years later.
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