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Posted: 13:42 - 04 Jun 2018 Post subject: |
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BUMP.
The Vnucking continues apace, it seems, with the EU backtracking on their backtracking on exempting motorscootersports from being covered by insurance policies.
MCIA are bawwing that it will mean an end to bike sports. On my reading, that's the opposite of what will happen. If all policies have to cover racing use, then that's brilliant news for trackday heroes, but the rest of us will end up paying for them spazzing each other. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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News from the Motorcycle Action Group (MAG) wrote: |
Off-road racing and riding could be banned unless YOU act
This version: 2018 06 08 Embargo: IMMEDIATE
The Motorcycle Action Group has backed the Motor Cycle Industry Association’s attack on a European Commission edict that could end motorcycle sport.
MAG is urgently appealing to riders across the UK to contact their Member of Parliament and help prevent the effective banning of competitive, off-road riding of all kinds in the United Kingdom.
‘The threat comes from a European Union Directive,’ explains MAG’s Director of Communications & Public Affairs, Lembit Öpik. ‘It would require all mechanically propelled vehicles to get full third-party motor insurance to cover injury, damage and loss, on public and private roads or land. By changing what’s called the ‘Motor Insurance Directive’ (MID), it could end competitive riding in the UK and EU.’
The extreme threat arises from a single legal case regarding liability (known as the ‘Vnuk’ Judgment). Its consequences would be disastrous because insurance firms would find it economically impossible to insure competitive off-road riding activities, given the realities of damage to machines, collisions and all the elements which are the essence of competitive racing. This could more or less wipe out these sorts of events. The MCIA estimates that this could terminate activities involving over 1.7 million spectators and 55,000 riders annually, at over 4000 off-road and track events. This latest move stems from a broken commitment by the EU to resolve this issue. British Government officials have stated they oppose this unjustified measure.
Tony Campbell, CEO of the MCIA said: “In the UK alone, motorcycle sport is estimated to be worth £1 billion, which rises to around £11 billion across all forms of UK motor sports. We strongly support UK Government efforts, but our message is clear – whatever the outcome of these new proposals Government must take action in order to avoid the catastrophic damage that will be inflicted on Motorsport across the board if this ruling turns into law – even if this means defying Brussels.”
Lembit adds: ‘The UK Government has actively supported efforts to remove this threat to off-road riding and racing. Please contact your MP, asking them to write to Chris Grayling, Secretary of State for Transport, to ensure the UK Government will honour its pledge to ignore this draconian and virtually pointless directive from the EU Commission.’
Contact MAG at 01926 844 064 or central-office@mag-uk.org
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Double secret week long embargo? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Posted: 08:48 - 16 Jun 2018 Post subject: |
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The thing is, we've been cheerfully ignoring the implications of Vnuck up to now, just as we've been refusing to give prisoners a vote despite being told to do so repeatedly. We can pick and choose, when it suits.
Anyway, on topic, I believe that MAG have got the wrong end of the stick, and are waving it hysterically for propaganda purposes.
Vnuk (probably) requires track days and all other forms of motorsport to be covered. How does that threaten motorsport? The concern should be that all premiums will rise for everyone, regardless of whether we do motorsporting or not.
However: pillions.
Pillions are third parties. They can always claim as such against the bike owner's policy if they get potatoed.
And yet insurers ask if we will be taking a pillion or not.
It's not so they can wiggle out of the claim, it's so that they can adjust for the risk of whether we will be taking a pillion, and reward those of us who don't.
The same can and I expect will apply for motorsport. Yes, they have to pay out if you do it. But they can ask if you intend to. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Posted: 21:36 - 16 Jun 2018 Post subject: |
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I honestly have no idea, and that's the problem: it's not being explained clearly by those who are flapping their arms about it.
The worst case scenario is mandating that all insurance has to cover all conceivable uses, and that all vehicles have to be insured for all uses, even if they're not going to be used on road. So road bikers have to pay for track cover, and track bikers have to pay for road cover.
I guess that would be the logical consequence of Vnuk. Yuk. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Polarbear wrote: | I do have to agree in that with brexit, we might as well make use of it and have our own laws, rules and regs and fuck the EU rulings. |
FWIW, that means foregoing the advantages of having a large market, with more competition and more risk-spreading. Everything else being equal, this approach (Juche, i.e. the strong and self-reliant nation) asymptotically arrives North Korea, and not even NK wants to be NK any more.
tl;dr: a hard Brexit would increase your insurance bills. Not by much, not directly, and you probably won't notice it specifically, but it would.
See e.g. https://www.cooley.com/~/media/cooley/pdf/reprints/the-impact-of-brexit-on-insurance-and-reinsurance.ashx?la=en - currently, your broker can get quotes from insurers across the single market. The competition between insurers will be reduced and the broker will have less choice to quote from if the UK leaves the single market. ____________________ Bikes: S1000R, SH350; Exes: Vity 125, PS125, YBR125, ER6f, VFR800, Brutale 920, CB600F, SH300x4
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Are EU underwriters prohibited from issuing cover outside the single market?
That sounds like North Korea-times-Hitler. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Old Thread Alert!
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