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stinkwheel
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 04 Jul 2018    Post subject: Does anyone still make a truly passive immobiliser? Reply with quote
By passive, I mean doesn't draw any power at all when off, rather than arms by itself. And not an alarm.

I had one on a bike ages ago that defaulted to "off" and only looked for a chip when the ignition was turned on. Effectively all the ignition switch did was power up the immobiliser, the immobiliser then powered up the bike when it detected the chip.

The beauty of that system is it didn't run the battery down at all.

I effectively want to replace the ignition switch on the special I'm building with a simple on/off switch. Purely for aesthetics. A passive immobiliser would allow this to still give me a degree of security

Not sure if there is such a thing any more?
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chris-red
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 04 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Just use any immobiliser and have the switch cut the power straight from the battery. Laughing
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stinkwheel
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 04 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
chris-red wrote:
Just use any immobiliser and have the switch cut the power straight from the battery. Laughing


I did consider that but wasn't sure if it would induce a tantrum/reset. But yes, you're correct, that ought to work.

My old one had the chip in the key and the antenna round the lock barrel which was convenient on that bike because you didn't have to mess about.
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WD Forte
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 04 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
I get the
Power on,
Immobiliser wakes up,
checks it's 'safe' then powers up bike bit

but if you use a 'simple on/off switch' how will you define security criteria?

Any immobiliser must have some kind of rules/conditions to define whether it's safe or not.

Dongle, NFC, RFID sort of thing?
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temeluchus
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 04 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
you can get latching rfid relays but the ones im familiar with are mains powered even if the switched side is 12v
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Wheezybiker
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 04 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Are YISS and HISS passive if you remove the red flashing led
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stinkwheel
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 04 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
WD Forte wrote:
I get the
Power on,
Immobiliser wakes up,
checks it's 'safe' then powers up bike bit

but if you use a 'simple on/off switch' how will you define security criteria?

Any immobiliser must have some kind of rules/conditions to define whether it's safe or not.

Dongle, NFC, RFID sort of thing?


I was thinking teddy bear with an RFID chip up its bum. Won't start without its teddy bear kind of thing. Or a Guardians of the Galaxy style dashboard ornament.

On-off switch would do two things 1) Power up the immobaliser so it looks for the chip and 2) Earth the spark when in the "off" position for redundancy in the engine off functionality.

The immobaliser would feed power to the lighting and energise a SPNC relay to activate the ignition circuit.
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BTTD
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 04 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
I was thinking teddy bear with an RFID chip up its bum.

Is this something you're thinking of taking to market, and are you taking pre-orders?

Motogadget do a whole wiring unit with optional RFD keyless ignition, but it certainly isn't cheap. No fuses or relays though, and it does look pretty neat.
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