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BrownTrousers
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PostPosted: 08:06 - 04 Aug 2018    Post subject: Damaged wheel - replace? UPDATE. REPAIRED. Reply with quote

Hi all,

Whilst washing my bike after a long trip to Europe, I noticed the deformation of the front wheel as shown below.

There's no sign of damage to the paint or tyre, so i'm not really sure how it happened. I don't remember hitting any particularly huge bumps or feeling any unusual handling.

Anyway. what do?

    [I]Ignore it
    [ii]Get it repaired (where, how?)
    [iii]Get it replaced


https://i.imgur.com/Z2RwNfM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/222dKui.jpg
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PostPosted: 08:13 - 04 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had one like that on one of my CBRs after a crash.

An inattentive MOT tester passed it twice.

It then failed when he noticed it.

I tried hammering it back into shape and asking for quotes on repairs. They wanted about £130 to repair it (this was about 12 years ago).

In the end because my CBR is/was a popular bike it was easier to simply change the wheel. The problem that came up was that the brake discs mounting bolts changed between 1999 and 2001.
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PostPosted: 09:37 - 04 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd either bent it back or just replace. Irony lols for the Ducati safety pack noting on the side.
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 04 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd see if it could be pressed back in a vice, with a larger bit of wood on the other side. Since it must not be leaking (?) it's largely cosmetic.
Buying a used one for all you know it might have had worse *fixed* already.
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 04 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bend like that on the front wheel would worry me more than the same deformation on the rear. If you hit something else, you could see rapid deflation, and on the front at any meaningful speed that means a crash.

It might not leak now, but think about what stresses your tyres are under with hard riding.

Bending it back will weaken the alloy. Another bump and it could fracture instead, and you're looking at rapid deflation again. Unless you heat it, but the whole wheel would be a heat sink. A quick web search shows there are some professionals who do this for car wheels, more likely to suffer with low profile tyres. If you do bend back, I'd look into this option.

I'd replace, with second hand if it can be found. IMO you'd notice if a second hand wheel had also been bent, you'd feel the ripples when keeping your finger on the rim while rotating the wheel.
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 04 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't remember what caused it or when it happened?

Has anyone else got access to this bike?

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Maybe on a long boring bit of Europe you clocked a kerb and never noticed?

I would press that ding back into shape.

You could do it using a small bottle jack (a scissor jack might work too) and jam the rim between something heavy and some wooden packing to protect the paint.

I have straightened alloy car wheels like this (but in a hydraulic press) and there were no problems with the wheel later.

If you have access to a big truck HGV that may be enough weight to resist the force required to press the ding back.

You could do it with the tire on too. Just let the air out.
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 04 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
I'd see if it could be pressed back in a vice, with a larger bit of wood on the other side. Since it must not be leaking (?) it's largely cosmetic.


The thing's melted at the top due to the sunny weather we've been having.

Seriously, though, I agree with the above post. Wood is good because it deforms and allows for a tiny bit of over-bending, but aluminium angle may fit better in your vice with the rim in the jaws. A bit of tap-tap-tap might be needed too.
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 04 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's nasty damage to the wheel, a repair would be a good option if you can find somewhere that can do it.

Perhaps you could get a second hand one off ebay, then try and get the old one repaired.. at least you would have a spare wheel.
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 04 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would consider that scrap, dislike the idea of cold working on a wheel and hot work done correctly with heat treatment would be uneconomical. A used wheel and respray would be cheaper.
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 04 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since you are asking, I'm going to say replace it.
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 04 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at the costs of Multistrada 950 wheels even used they're not particularly cheap either with some prices around £1000+


Go and get it repaired £120-£150 per wheel. A few of them let you send them the wheel if they think it's irreparable they won't charge you for it.
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 04 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well thanks for the advice. Not many votes for "ignore it" so looks like I'm on for a load of cash one way or the other. Sad

Still no idea how it happened - I didn't hit any curbs, animals, potholes etc during the tour as far as I remember so a total mystery. A review of the pics taken during the tour suggest I've already done a good few hundred miles on it that way..
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 04 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

BrownTrousers wrote:
Well thanks for the advice. Not many votes for "ignore it"


Oh I ignored it on my CBR600 for years. The problem is the MOT tester may not see it the same way.
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 04 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
BrownTrousers wrote:
Well thanks for the advice. Not many votes for "ignore it"


Oh I ignored it on my CBR600 for years. The problem is the MOT tester may not see it the same way.


Oh I'm sure it wouldn't pass an mot. But my mot isn't due for 2.5 years.....

The problem is if it causes me to crash and die.

I'll start looking into getting it sorted I think, based on advice here. But with a little bit of riding in the meantime, since it hasn't gone bang yet.
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 04 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

BrownTrousers wrote:
The problem is if it causes me to crash and die.


There is always that...


The is some of us were a lot more reckless in our youth. You should have seen BCF meetups. People with bald tyres, bent frames, no brakes etc.

It was a different time I guess. So take from that what you will.
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 04 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could it have happened when it was strapped down on the ferry?
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 04 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Could it have happened when it was strapped down on the ferry?


I did wonder this, just because its the only time it was really out of my sight.

They were VERY rough tieing it down on the way home (compared to the way out) : enough to deform the seat despite the presence of a cushion.

But I just couldn't imagine how they could do this damage - the bike didn't move anywhere. My other thought was the hooks in the floor used for tieing it down, but even if I run over one, it would have been very slow...
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 04 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

BrownTrousers wrote:
Well thanks for the advice. Not many votes for "ignore it" so looks like I'm on for a load of cash one way or the other. Sad


It's only a little weeny dent, if you're not going to DIY it, send some photos to alloy wheel repairers and see what they'd charge. About £65.84 I guess. Bets? Smile
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 04 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd press that back in without a thought. Probably in my 10 ton press using some hardwood blocks.

Just don't be tempted to heat it up, you'll change the properties of the ally.
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 04 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
I'd press that back in without a thought. Probably in my 10 ton press using some hardwood blocks.

Just don't be tempted to heat it up, you'll change the properties of the ally.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omuiciMWJk4 (there are others) Smile

(this seems to be a proper engineering firm).
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 04 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

These guys have repaired several bike and car wheels for me. Thoroughly recommended Thumbs Up


https://www.motoliner.com/
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 04 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
These guys have repaired several bike and car wheels for me. Thoroughly recommended Thumbs Up


https://www.motoliner.com/


One of my friends have used them to repair a dented wheel, excellent service Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 04 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a worse ding than that repaired on my gullarm, was about £60 for Roy Thersby to fix around 20 years ago.
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 04 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
These guys have repaired several bike and car wheels for me. Thoroughly recommended Thumbs Up


https://www.motoliner.com/


+1 for motoliner. 10/10 service. They did a ZX6R P7F wheel a few years ago for me.
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PostPosted: 05:58 - 05 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perfect, thanks guys. Info on Motorliner is exactly what I was after when I created the thread.

Will give them a ring on Monday and let you know how I get on.

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