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Do you have a full-bike-licence?
a) Bore a 125 over 125 it's no longer legal to ride on 'L' plates.
b) If you have licence to ride something bigger than 125... why not just buy one?
c) Why did you buy a lexmoto? Plenty of other 125cc Learner-Legals out there, that are quite a bit faster, and have 50% more power, still in learner-legal/A1 licence limits, that don't breach 125 capacity limit, and dont need any special parts, or spanner twiddling, or arguments with the insurance company for it?
Next; Lexmoto.... what? They sell quite a few different models of bike. They are all derivatives of old Japanese machines, built down to the lowest possible quality/performance in China, usually around either the Honda push-rod CG engine or OHV XL engine, the Suzuki GS engine, or the Yamaha SR or YBR motor.... If there is a big0bore kit available, and there probably is, you really need to know exactly what engine you want one for!
But... top of the plan... Speed = Power/Drag. You need more power to go faster. Big-Bore kit hints you should get more power... but, in the engine Power=Cylinder Displacement x Cylinder Pressure x Crank Revs. If you get no more crank revs.... bike aint going to go no faster; gearing will still turn the back wheel just as slow. So you also need worry about gearing. Meanwhile, Cylinder displacement ios only one factor in how much power you might have to get more power, and it's not the most significant. Cylinder-Pressure is.
Cylinder pressure is made by the fuel and air burning in the cylinder. Matters little how migh that cylinder may be, unless the cylinder is filled to the max with fuel and air... it rarely is.
'Charge' gets into the cylinder through the valves and ports in the cylinder head. Make the cylinder bigger, it can only make more power IF the cylinder-head flows enough charge to fill it, and before you begin, the power curve you get from an engine that shows it make more power the more you rev it, shows that the cylinder head is struggling to fill the standard cylinder with charge at any revs above peak torque. From there to peak-power, the engine's making more power from turning faster and making more smaller 'bangs' with less charge in the pot, until at peak power, the cylinder head runs out of pufff, and power starts to fall, because it cant flow enough charge to keep up, and more smaller bangs dont make as much power as fewer bigger ones.
Fit big-bore cylinder.... charge still has to get into the engine through the same valves and ports; you may get a bit more power, probably at lower RPM, where the cylinder head can flow enough charge, but above peak torque, the bigger cylinder is going to struggle more to get enough charge to fill, and run out of 'puff' through the valves and ports exactly the same, but probably at lower rpm....
Ie: you CAN actually make the bike SLOWER adding a big bore kit.... unless you optimise everything to work to best effect.
A1 Learner-Legal power limit is 15bhp. Your lexmoto probably makes at best 10bhp... there are plenty of 125's out there that are a heck of a lot more powerful, and faster, that dont need any mods or spanner messing to be so, or risk breaching licence regs for it, or contension with the insurance co.
Lexmoto, in general sell because they are 'cheap'. They are NOT 'fast'. You want fast, you got the wrong bike.
Virtues of the Lexmoto IS that it's cheap, not just to buy, but to run, not having so much power they tend to be pretty economical, and they tend not to wear stuff out so fast.
You start modding a bike..... you spend money.. which rather defeats 'cheap'. Modded bikes tend to be worth less than standard offerings and harder to sell, so you spend money to make bike less valuable, and probably less reliable, and unless done well probably no faster! Rather defeats the 'cheap' they started with.
You want more than Lexmoto has to offer.... you got the wrong bike.... far easier, far more garanteed to give the more you want, and far bigger bang for your buck to be had looking for another bike....
And back to the top... DO you have a licence?
On a full licence you aren't limited to any displacement; you can have as much power and as much fast as you like and.or can afford, A-N-D its a heck of a lot cheaper.... and guaranteed to be faster!
The fastest of the fast 'production' 125's only ever achieved 30bhp or so; and only just nudged the 100mph mark in accredited speed trials. That is just about as fast and as powerful as a forty year old four-stroke 250 'commuter' bike..... ie: in the wider world of big bikes.. it really is NOT all that 'fast'.
And slapping big bore kit on a Lexmoto? Well, they are 50% down on the power they may have under A1 regs, which is still 1/2 what a good 125 might make, to STILL not be a particularly 'fast' motorbike..... This really is an excersize in futility.... really.
So, you want fast, get a faster bike; want more fast still, get a bigger-faster bike, and with prices and insurance on bigger than 125cc bikes so much more 'reasonable'; Costs 45% more to insure my 125, like-for-like, than it does my 750 each year, whilst 2nd hand value of 750 is probably 1/2 what it is for the 125... IF you have a licence, you can have as much fast as you like, and probably SAVE more money than the price of a big-bore kit along the way, and not have to get your hands covered in oil.
No licence? Well go get one!
Old track adage, "Want a faster bike? First fit better rider! Better rider go faster, crash less, break less, cost less!" Another is before looking for more than standard, make sure you have all you should AS standard.... you will likely get far more bhp for far less money and far less oily hands, doing the basic routine maintenance the Lexmoto should have, like changing the oil, spark plugs and adjusting the valve tappets.
Bit of discipline to learn how to ride, and get the most from the bike you have; more do the maintenence to get and keep it in tip-top and able to deliver its best, costs little, and works on any and every bike you may own, not just this one. So THAT is the place to start, not trawling e-bay for a big-bore kit, for an as yet unidentified engine.....
Back up, think long and hard about what you really want and really want to achieve and best way to get it.
Muggering with little four-stroke 125's can be fun, but it is an excersise in futility and delusion; with far more possible pit-falls than there ever is minor benefits. ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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Kyrop90 wrote: | Mate I’m not fussed a fussed about the legal side of it I just want a faster bike simple as that and because my palmoffered it me for £400 hence why I brought it if I have the money for a Yamaha wrx I would of brought one I didn’t that’s what I had to hand so I brought it and seeing as I’m now on an apprenticeship a wrx is abit far out of reach hence getting that and if you read the forum post you’d see it’s a 125 adrenaline like I stated in the forum thread simple as that so instead of trying to be a dick how about trying to help like I’ve asked for no wonder this forums are wank your all stuck up pricks |
Advice is advice... I have a full licence; I have a 750 and a 125, and a couple of other bikes knocking about... what you do really doesn't make one iota of difference to me; you want to spend money on a cheap bike, making it less valuable, and 'maybe' making a very slow bike a little less slow, Knock yourself out......
Pricks? Why, because we haven't all lined up and said, "Oh poor diddums! Here's the play-station cheat-code to all you want! "
Go for it... fit big bore to your Lexmoto... do whatever you want! But, just because you dont like the answers to your question, dont mean the answers are wrong... just the question. ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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When you master the emergency stop maybe you could work on some full stops. |
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Telling you that your Lexmoto has a manufacturer's claimed 10bhp, a 'fact' that the manufacture actually puts in their chuffing sales brochure! And pointing out that that is still 50% down on what licence (you dont have!) limits may allow, is not deriding the bike.
But you want MORE than that bike has to offer... but dont want to spend more than that bike costs, and expect us to tell you how to get everything you want for the money you cant afford... or we are all elitist pricks!?!?
Sorry... I used up the last of my genie wishes to get a divorce!
If you go to Bagdad with a bucket and spade, you might find a magic lamp in the sand if you dig hard enough.
Otherwise... you want 'cheap' way-to-work motorcycle, then suffer the 'slow' of your lexmoto... if you want 'fast'.. get a different bike, more still, get a licence.
Up to you really, but just cos you dont like the answers STILL don't mean they are wrong! ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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Nice to see the op has such an amazing grasp of the english language, able to articulate his point remarkably well, without feeling the need to resort to immature and inate use of foul language ...
Oh wait ..
Now, I am surprised, that nobody appeared to pick up on the op's admission that they are not a good rider..
Kyrop90 wrote: | ....... I’ve been riding since I was 16 and can’t ride quite well thanks ...... |
.... not that it should be of any surprise of course
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 271 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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