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zucarides
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 10 Nov 2018    Post subject: Help Yamaha Ybr stripped screws Reply with quote

Hi
Apologies for signing up just to get some help

Here's my situation: newbie with a ybr 125 2016.
Was happily riding when the engine seized, fortunately at 30mps with no damage. The problem: chain came out the front sprocket. I called roadside assistance and turns out the previous owner had stripped the screws from the cover. They couldn't help...


Hindsight is great and I should've changed the chain and sprockets as soon as i got the bike. Now the only garage I trust in the area is fully booked for a month, and I either catch the bus like a sucker, or try some DIY

I already have the replacement chain kit.

Would you recommend sawing the screws, cutting them with one of those disk cutters, or leaving it to a professional?

Thanks
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 10 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be more concerned with the seized engine...
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 10 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had to give it a running start first, but now electric works fine and revves through all the gears with no weird noises. Fair won't know for sure until I sort the chain
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PostPosted: 15:39 - 10 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Consult professional. When this happend to a friend I got a call asking me to have a look because he thought the chain had come off and jammed the sprocket (which to be fair happened on the R125 he had before that thing) and well, a siezed engine is likely more than some bolt on parts to replace. That it's been worked on badly before is a bad sign, you might find some kind of epic bodge.
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 10 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have nothing to loose by removing the front sprocket cover, except the cost of a few screws
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 10 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the starter wasn't man enough to start it before but now does after seizing it, it points at a massive reduction in compression.

Before you do anything with this bike, check the compression. And i don't mean by the chav pathetic way by sticking your thumb over the spark plug hole, you need about 150 psi or more.
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 10 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no idea how to do that

If it were an engine problem, shouldn't the diagnostic light be shining?
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 10 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

zucarides wrote:
I have no idea how to do that

If it were an engine problem, shouldn't the diagnostic light be shining?


No. This is a mechanical issue which cannot be identified by electronics.

Do you really think you can seize an engine without causing serious damage to the barrel/rings?
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 10 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

zucarides wrote:
I have nothing to loose by removing the front sprocket cover, except the cost of a few screws


This. If it's a simple case of the chain jumping off the front sprocket and jamming, then removing the sprocket cover and switching to your new chain and sprocket set is going to be one of the steps you'd need to do anyway. You can't ride it now, and doing this first shouldn't make it harder for a repair if you have to give up and pay someone else to do it, as long as you don't go mad with a lump hammer and angle grinder.

If you need to butcher the cover to get it off, that's a tenner.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2017-yamaha-ybr-125-sprocket-cover-005/232969982294

If you haven't got one already, invest in a Dremel (or clone for half the price), makes it easier to cut slots.

Bottom line is, you're now a motorcyclist - basic maintenance and repairs done yourself will give you satisfaction, knowledge, skills, and save yourself a huge wadge of cash.
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 10 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
zucarides wrote:
I have nothing to loose by removing the front sprocket cover, except the cost of a few screws


This. If it's a simple case of the chain jumping off the front sprocket and jamming, then removing the sprocket cover and switching to your new chain and sprocket set is going to be one of the steps you'd need to do anyway. You can't ride it now, and doing this first shouldn't make it harder for a repair if you have to give up and pay someone else to do it, as long as you don't go mad with a lump hammer and angle grinder.

If you need to butcher the cover to get it off, that's a tenner.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2017-yamaha-ybr-125-sprocket-cover-005/232969982294

If you haven't got one already, invest in a Dremel (or clone for half the price), makes it easier to cut slots.

Bottom line is, you're now a motorcyclist - basic maintenance and repairs done yourself will give you satisfaction, knowledge, skills, and save yourself a huge wadge of cash.


Thanks this was super helpful. I'm a bit afraid to use one of those rotary tools, any bad experiences with them breaking off?

And to clarify, the chain isn't jammed, it's out of the sprocket cover and resting on one of the frame tubes. The repair guy thought it was weird, usually comes out of the rear sprocket... Hope there are no nasty surprises behind that cover

And maybe seized was the wrong word, english isn't my first language
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 10 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

zucarides wrote:
Thanks this was super helpful. I'm a bit afraid to use one of those rotary tools, any bad experiences with them breaking off?


As with any power tool there's a risk, cheap bits moreso than premium gear. Get a lump of wood, whack some screws in, pop on a pair of gloves and safety glasses and have a practice. You'll soon get a feel for how much pressure is too much.

Push the envelope, you learn stuff by leaving your comfort zone in a controlled manner Smile
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 10 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I swapped engines on a 2011 YBR125 a little while ago and if I recall correctly those sprocket cover screws arent that meaty.
If they've been rounded off, my first method would be to use a 6mm drill to remove the heads* whip off the sprocket cover, then use mole/vise grips to remove what's left.
( MIG a nut on if forced to)
They run in alloy so hopefully shoudln't be that hard to get out.

All this on the assumption the Ops 'seized' is just loss of forward motion due to the chain jumping off.

* start with touching an 8-10mm in to create a shallow dish shape and remove the jaggy bits
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 16 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finally managed to get those damn screws off. The front sprocket has a broken tooth and spins freely without the chain in neutral.

Whenever I bring it to first or second the engine warning signs lights up and kills the engine.
Is this by design because it's not feeling the resistance from the chain, or am I fucked?
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 16 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nevermind the side stand was out. It's working beautifully, just need to change the chain and sprockets. Can't wait to ride my bike again!
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