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Posted: 17:30 - 22 Nov 2018 Post subject: A practical performance car. |
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Rather than de rail bodyguards thread for worshipping his ST, what's a decent performance care that is practical, ie -
Easy to live with.
Fuel consumption not in single figures
Not costing an arm and a leg for everything that breaks.
Reasonable carrying capacity. (as in tools and sack trucks)
I'm going to get rid of my CMax as it's getting to that point in life it's going to keep costing me and I'd like something nice to drive that I can still use for my work.
What about a Focus ST? ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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Come to think of it, isn't there a horse somewhere eating his money as well...? ____________________ Currently enjoying products from Ford, Mazda and Yamaha
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Civic Type R? ____________________ Mpd72: I can categorically say i’m Brighter than that, no matter how I come across on here.
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I think he needs a large load area from time to time (fnar) which is why I said Octavia VRS Estate specifically.
Even with its seats up the loadspace on those is quite impressive. Can even get a 4x4 (Non VRS) variant if that's
your thing. Engine from Golf Gti in the Petrol version of the VRS 220+ bhp and 150mph top whack as I recall. ____________________ Currently enjoying products from Ford, Mazda and Yamaha
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Just info/opinion about my Focus ST, what I like or dislike:
Dislike:
- it looks like a big car, but its boot size is small (smaller than in my old Astra G hatch)
- gear lever needs a firm hand
- sound system is underwhelming
- dash looks dated and fills up the cabin a bit too much for my liking
- it turns like a bus in car parks
- Recaro seats are not comfortable on longer journeys
- engine is quiet outside
Like:
- on average I get almost 30mpg, it's a 250bhp car, so I can't complain
- it's really fun to drive, I live driving it on some twisty roads
- Recaro seats work great during spirited driving
- satisfying but fake engine sound inside
- sharp steering on twisty roads
- turbo boost brings a smile
- cheaper to buy than competition
https://i.imgur.com/iBv62Vj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SGAbOLb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dDH6gQ7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SZLVezi.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/VRoF4vz.jpg ____________________ Current Bike: Yamaha XSR900 Previous bikes: Honda CBR1000RR Fireblade, Kawasaki ZX-6R Ninja, Aprilia RS125 2-stroke |
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Musketeer wrote: | Just info/opinion about my Focus ST, what I like or dislike:
Dislike:
- it looks like a big car, but its boot size is small (smaller than in my old Astra G hatch)
- gear lever needs a firm hand
- sound system is underwhelming
- dash looks dated and fills up the cabin a bit too much for my liking
- it turns like a bus in car parks
- Recaro seats are not comfortable on longer journeys
- engine is quiet outside
Like:
- on average I get almost 30mpg, it's a 250bhp car, so I can't complain
- it's really fun to drive, I live driving it on some twisty roads
- Recaro seats work great during spirited driving
- satisfying but fake engine sound inside
- sharp steering on twisty roads
- turbo boost brings a smile
- cheaper to buy than competition
https://i.imgur.com/iBv62Vj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SGAbOLb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dDH6gQ7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SZLVezi.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/VRoF4vz.jpg |
The person I bought my MK2 off upgraded to a 2013 ST he wish he kept the MK2 (his own words) his main gripe were the seats in particular something about being no where near as comfy as the MK2's.
Oh and the engine just doesn't have the same chactater as the 5pot.
I've really got one of the best cars in the world ever made. Shame really as they will probably never make such a beast ever again. |
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kgm wrote: |
See this is why I think it's quite a personal thing. My mate has a Golf R. It's much quicker than the fiesta, grips better, rides better, is more comfortable and refined. Basically its better in nearly every way. But it doesn't make me laugh like the fiesta. I think it's just too competent. |
I think VW Golf GTI is a better built and more refined car than Ford Focus ST in every way.
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The person I bought my MK2 off upgraded to a 2013 ST he wish he kept the MK2 (his own words) his main gripe were the seats in particular something about being no where near as comfy as the MK2's.
Oh and the engine just doesn't have the same chactater as the 5pot.
I've really got one of the best cars in the world ever made. Shame really as they will probably never make such a beast ever again. |
I've heard fuel economy of Mk2 Focus ST is awful... 15mpg or so.
The engine sounds great though. ____________________ Current Bike: Yamaha XSR900 Previous bikes: Honda CBR1000RR Fireblade, Kawasaki ZX-6R Ninja, Aprilia RS125 2-stroke |
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Posted: 23:17 - 22 Nov 2018 Post subject: |
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KITT wrote: | Musketeer wrote: | Just info/opinion about my Focus ST, what I like or dislike:
Dislike:
- it looks like a big car, but its boot size is small (smaller than in my old Astra G hatch)
- gear lever needs a firm hand
- sound system is underwhelming
- dash looks dated and fills up the cabin a bit too much for my liking
- it turns like a bus in car parks
- Recaro seats are not comfortable on longer journeys
- engine is quiet outside
Like:
- on average I get almost 30mpg, it's a 250bhp car, so I can't complain
- it's really fun to drive, I live driving it on some twisty roads
- Recaro seats work great during spirited driving
- satisfying but fake engine sound inside
- sharp steering on twisty roads
- turbo boost brings a smile
- cheaper to buy than competition
https://i.imgur.com/iBv62Vj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SGAbOLb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dDH6gQ7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SZLVezi.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/VRoF4vz.jpg |
The person I bought my MK2 off upgraded to a 2013 ST he wish he kept the MK2 (his own words) his main gripe were the seats in particular something about being no where near as comfy as the MK2's.
Oh and the engine just doesn't have the same chactater as the 5pot.
I've really got one of the best cars in the world ever made. Shame really as they will probably never make such a beast ever again. |
I'm not a fan of ST's but if you think a gas guzzling ASBO is better than a mk3 then you are dreaming, a ferrari 488 has better fuel consumption. |
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I think Grrr666 has nailed it for OP. I'd be expecting a good handling relatively fast estate car that's not too silly to run, or too premium to buy and have serviced, and has not too big a gas guzzling engine for general use and doing decent mileage in.
A Focus estate, or better maybe a Skoda VRS etc would be good shouts, and you can get diesel GTI/VRS varients that if your doing 12-15k a year in would still be better than petrol with new EU6 compliance. You can't get a petrol usefully fast car new without low-medium pressure turbocharged engines, so if I was doing decent miles I'd still choose diesel personally especially on a new car.
Interesting posts from Kgm, I can't see any need for a small or medium hatchback as a daily driver car with more performance than a Fiesta ST though? I'd say it's the sort of maximum useful level of performance that's sometimes utilizable in today's traffic?
The Golf R doesn't do it for me. It might be capable and 4wd with 300bhp, but it's heavy and it needs it's big brakes and grip. Its also subtle and dull much more like an Audi S3 and is less striking and attention grabbing than the cheaper Golf GTI. That's a no no for a hot hatch for me. Im more into the Honda Civic look with 2-3rear wings, 3-4 cannons for exhausts and big R badges and stripes everywhere. I couldn't have a Golf R and be happy paying all that money for a subtle if very capable car.
I don't like modern stuff anyway, and I like torque steer in a fwd car and a having more engine than handling. Its not about how capable or A-B fast a car is, but how dramatic and involved it is. Also while I appreciate 4wd 0-60 superiority and being able to get out of junctions or accelerate down greasy slip roads easily, I'd rather not waste any power to more than one axle and am happy babying my way up to 40mph to have better motorway in gear acceleration when grip isn't a concern. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 196 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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