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 stinkwheel Bovine Proctologist

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 Posted: 17:29 - 06 Dec 2018 Post subject: Anyone do classic trials? |
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Just wondering really. Looks like a bit of a laugh and when I've finished my big bullet project, I'll have two road-going royal enfields.
The 350 is slow, low powered and reasonably easy to control. It wouldn't take much to convert it to a trials orientated machine (higher front mudguard, knobbly tyres, bash plate). It's on 19" wheels anyway so I'm not even convinced it would necessarily need a 21" rim.
There are a quite a few nearby to me in the North of England. WOndering if myone had any advice/stories etc. As I say, looks like a great oppertunity to spend a weekend fannying about the countryside in a manner that would normally see you arrested and your bike crushed.
For those unsure what one is, it's effectively a road route linking various offroad stages. You try to see how far you can go up a steep hill or along a mudy track. Or do a hill start on a stupidly steep and gravelly road. It's "classic" because of the format rather than the vehicle. As far as I can make out, most of them don't mind a foot-dab or general out of control slithering about. It's more a race against yourself. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles. |
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Are you trying to summon a server crushing wall of Teflonian? Cause I'm pretty sure thats how you do it.  ____________________ own: 81 xs1100g...
owned: 85 rat CG (sold), 91 GS500e (stolen), 84 gsx400f (scrapped), 81 z250 (siezed, siezed, scrapped), 83 cb250rs (sold), 84 gpz750r ratfighter (killed) 84gpz400 (sold), '80 cb650 ratfighter (wrote off) 95gsx6/12f ratfighter (killed) 91 xj900 (sold)
stinkwheel Well I just had my hands up a pigs fanny. Which makes your concerns pale into insignificance. |
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 Posted: 15:31 - 07 Dec 2018 Post subject: Re: Anyone do classic trials? |
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stinkwheel wrote: | Just wondering really. Looks like a bit of a laugh and when I've finished my big bullet project, I'll have two road-going royal enfields.
The 350 is slow, low powered and reasonably easy to control. It wouldn't take much to convert it to a trials orientated machine (higher front mudguard, knobbly tyres, bash plate). It's on 19" wheels anyway so I'm not even convinced it would necessarily need a 21" rim.
There are a quite a few nearby to me in the North of England. WOndering if myone had any advice/stories etc. As I say, looks like a great oppertunity to spend a weekend fannying about the countryside in a manner that would normally see you arrested and your bike crushed.
For those unsure what one is, it's effectively a road route linking various offroad stages. You try to see how far you can go up a steep hill or along a mudy track. Or do a hill start on a stupidly steep and gravelly road. It's "classic" because of the format rather than the vehicle. As far as I can make out, most of them don't mind a foot-dab or general out of control slithering about. It's more a race against yourself. |
yes, i regularly compete in the MCC 'big three' - the edinburgh, the exter, and the lands end. albeit in a car, not a bike, as im not quite that mad yet
the trials themselves are populated by a great bunch of guys, and the organisers of each trial are generally competitors, so they know what makes things run well.
there are plenty of rules regarding tyres and such, but i dont think there is anything too onerous.
the trials themselves run into about 200 miles in total, with about 13-15 observed sections, and a couple of tie breaker observed tests.
for the upcoming exeter trial in january, I'll be starting from poham airfield at about 19:00, and finishing some time on saturday afternoon in Torquay for a few beers, some kip, then the drive back to bedfordshire.
there is a great cameraderie between the competitors, and i regularly stop to help with mechanical breakdowns and tyre changes etc, as well as getting help from other car drivers for the occasional diff change
if you want some more info i can put you in touch with the guys at the MCC for some more info? it really is worth experiencing it for yourself, and there are a few guys usually looking for a navigator if you want to get a feel for what it's about from the 'comfort' of a car before you brave it solo on a bike. there's usually a few sidecar outfits doing it too if that floats your boat....
Lee ____________________ Past - 1988 honda revere 600, 1996 kawasaki gpz500s, 1999 Yamaha R6
Current - 2002 Aprilia RSV1000R & 1999 Kawasaki ZX6R |
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theres a good video here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juLbt8L4fwE of the most notorious hill on the exeter - Simms.
believe me, it looks a lot easier than it is in real life! ____________________ Past - 1988 honda revere 600, 1996 kawasaki gpz500s, 1999 Yamaha R6
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I couldn't see myself enjoying it in a car. I get car sick pretty bad among other things.
I believe there is a "class 0" for some of the trials which is for wimps and noobs? ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles. |
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The two solo bikes there look like they are breezing it - which is what I've often though on a lot of car vs bike stuff.
Stuff that decent 4x4 need a good bit of skill to navigate, a bike with appropriate tyres needs very little skill.
(And a proper modern trials bike then adds a whole extra load of "the bike doing it for you" - stuff that looks pretty scarily steep, you just point the bike up it and turn the throttle.) |
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G wrote: |
The two solo bikes there look like they are breezing it - which is what I've often though on a lot of car vs bike stuff.
Stuff that decent 4x4 need a good bit of skill to navigate, a bike with appropriate tyres needs very little skill.
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stinkwheel wrote: | They usually insist on less than appropriate tyres (usually Pirelli MT43s). My research indicates the bikes do not always breeze it. |
as stinkwheel says - they are quite particular on tyres, they aren't what you would necessarily call appropriate and the lack of hordes of gold medals (all sections 'clean' and on time at route checks etc) shows that it isn't all that easy on two wheels. add in the freezing cold January weather, some rain, and a good 18-20 hours of riding, and you have quite a challenge not saying it isn't doable, but it's no breeze.
for the cars, there are a plethora of rules to keep things fair (difficult) - no off road tyres, no M+S tyres, no limited slip diffs, no 4WD, rules around amount of ballast, allowable mods to suspension and wheel sizes etc etc.
if you're an insomniac, the rules for the relevant classes are here - https://www.actc.org.uk/info/association/rules-regulations/
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The two solo bikes there look like they are breezing it - which is what I've often though on a lot of car vs bike stuff. |
Same hill with some not 4x4s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAkCxvrWlXA |
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me (green Rickman ranger) and my mate (white one) are on this one from 0:50 EDIT - failing miserably as we have to do a restart at the bottom, so no momentum before the really steep bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UytVnQ-8uqk ____________________ Past - 1988 honda revere 600, 1996 kawasaki gpz500s, 1999 Yamaha R6
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My current techincal thought is if you can run a motorbike on "fat" tyres? It works well on mountain bikes.
I reckon you'd get a 4.00x19" trials tyre between the forks of a 350 bullet without fouling. Stick 10psi in that and you have an enormous contact patch compared to a 2.75x21", as well as a lower rake angle. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 145 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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