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Brinkmanship.
She has to say that otherwise nobody will vote for her deal. If she didn't, many MPs would vote against it not because they want 'no deal' but because they want another referendum.
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mpd72 CPT wrote: | linuxyeti wrote: |
Personally I think they should be
Remain
Leave on TM's deal
Leave without a deal.
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And there we have it. The typical remainer stitch up method for ensuring a win. |
Well, obviously, there will be a win, not necessarily for remain, as let's face it, remain didn't get over 50% last time, so, why should it this time, if everything you keep telling us is true. Or, are you saying, people will look on, having seen what has happened over the last 2 years, the eu, standing up for what's best for their members, you obviously not liking that, classing it as tantamount to bullying etc, seeing their jobs now on the line due to the effects already being felt, before we even leave, might, just might change their mind... Nooo, surely not ! You should be happy with another referendum, as it allows the opportunity for a leave vote, with known terms to be supported all the more robustly, who's to say this time round the remain vote won't decrease in percentage points, giving you even more validity to your point of view.. So, go on, embrace it, in your eyes, you should have nothing to lose, and all to gain ! ____________________ Beware what photos you upload, or link to on here, especially if you have family members on them |
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So, is this since this morning? As of last week, you didn't have a new contracts as a result of brexit? So, and I find this hard to believe, you either lied about having no contracts as a direct result of brexit, or they are indeed new contracts, project managed, scoped, costed and signed off all over a tea & biscuits this morning !. Also, pray tell, how does that increase your customer base, even if true, your customer base hasn't expanded, just a straight run of the mill network upgrade. |
Oh grow up FFS!
Try debating, rather than jumping down my throat at every opportunity.
You're so desperate to have a go at me, that you make a right tool of yourself in the process because you don't engage your brain before you start ranting.
A perfect example of this was your rabid response of trying to pick me up on figures, because you were thick enough not to realise that the entire imports of the UK don't come in via Dover.
You have no idea on the scale of freight clearance in Dover and how it went to 10% overnight when we entered the EU. I have first hand experience and so do many of my customers. I share an office with a firm who went from over 40 staff to 4 overnight in 1992.
I know you're a bit hard of thinking, but even Dianne Abbot wouldn't be denying that we'll need around a 10 fold increase in freight clearance if we have to start clearing EU imports. The Port of Dover estimates only 2-3% of freight coming through it's port is not from the EU. The vast majority of these are Turkish and need full customs clearance.
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Posted: 14:37 - 17 Dec 2018 Post subject: |
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linuxyeti wrote: | mpd72 CPT wrote: |
And there we have it. The typical remainer stitch up method for ensuring a win. |
Well, obviously, there will be a win, not necessarily for remain, as let's face it, remain didn't get over 50% last time, so, why should it this time, if everything you keep telling us is true. Or, are you saying, people will look on, having seen what has happened over the last 2 years, the eu, standing up for what's best for their members, you obviously not liking that, classing it as tantamount to bullying etc, seeing their jobs now on the line due to the effects already being felt, before we even leave, might, just might change their mind... Nooo, surely not ! You should be happy with another referendum, as it allows the opportunity for a leave vote, with known terms to be supported all the more robustly, who's to say this time round the remain vote won't decrease in percentage points, giving you even more validity to your point of view.. So, go on, embrace it, in your eyes, you should have nothing to lose, and all to gain ! |
Oh my God, you really are thick aren't you?
Sit down and think for a minute before hitting the keyboard. If the leave vote was split into 2 options and (let's make this easy enough for you to take in), say Leave with no deal got 30% and leave with May's deal got 22%, then Remain would only need 31% to win, not the 48% they got last time. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Oh my God, you really are thick aren't you?
Sit down and think for a minute before hitting the keyboard. If the leave vote was split into 2 options and (let's make this easy enough for you to take in), say Leave with no deal got 30% and leave with May's deal got 22%, then Remain would only need 31% to win, not the 48% they got last time. |
Please, try not to judge me by your standards. You scope the referendum question as leave or remain, to remain, the remain vote must have a greater total of votes, than the 2 leave options combined, so, in your example, leave with no deal, gets 30%, Tm's deal, gets 22%, that equate to 52% of the overall vote, meaning, remain, cannot get over 50%. In the scenario that you presented, leave with no deal, would be the outcome of the referendum.
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Oh grow up FFS!
Try debating, rather than jumping down my throat at every opportunity.
You're so desperate to have a go at me, that you make a right tool of yourself in the process because you don't engage your brain before you start ranting.
A perfect example of this was your rabid response of trying to pick me up on figures, because you were thick enough not to realise that the entire imports of the UK don't come in via Dover.
You have no idea on the scale of freight clearance in Dover and how it went to 10% overnight when we entered the EU. I have first hand experience and so do many of my customers. I share an office with a firm who went from over 40 staff to 4 overnight in 1992.
I know you're a bit hard of thinking, but even Dianne Abbot wouldn't be denying that we'll need around a 10 fold increase in freight clearance if we have to start clearing EU imports. The Port of Dover estimates only 2-3% of freight coming through it's port is not from the EU. The vast majority of these are Turkish and need full customs clearance.
Give it a rest, you're making a right tool of yourself here. |
Back to avoiding the topic, so, what you are really saying, is you don't have any contracts in place as a direct result of the brexit process.. ____________________ Beware what photos you upload, or link to on here, especially if you have family members on them |
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linuxyeti wrote: | Polarbear wrote: | Speculation time - What do you think would happen if we get another vote (which I think we will) and the result is the same?
Will we get mass suicide from the ruling elite
I can't see them putting the choice - Leave without deal - on the ballot, they wouldn't have wriggle room.
If they just have - Leave - again , they can fudge it some more like they are doing now.
Of course they will want - Remain - to win but...... |
This time, those who hadn't closed their minds to any thing other than what they originally voted, have had chance to see what is happening, compared with what was promised, from either side. It will also depend on the questions ..
Personally I think they should be
Remain
Leave on TM's deal
Leave without a deal.
To remain, and end brexit, remain would have to get more votes than either of the leave options together, ie, more than 50%. If not, then, highest voted for option of the 2 leave options should be taken. |
So splitting the Leave vote!
How about
Remain
Remain with TM's deal
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Its dead easy - leave or remain. If you vote leave, then split it into TM's deal or no deal.
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mpd72 CPT wrote: |
Oh grow up FFS!
Try debating, rather than jumping down my throat at every opportunity.
You're so desperate to have a go at me, that you make a right tool of yourself in the process because you don't engage your brain before you start ranting.
A perfect example of this was your rabid response of trying to pick me up on figures, because you were thick enough not to realise that the entire imports of the UK don't come in via Dover.
You have no idea on the scale of freight clearance in Dover and how it went to 10% overnight when we entered the EU. I have first hand experience and so do many of my customers. I share an office with a firm who went from over 40 staff to 4 overnight in 1992.
I know you're a bit hard of thinking, but even Dianne Abbot wouldn't be denying that we'll need around a 10 fold increase in freight clearance if we have to start clearing EU imports. The Port of Dover estimates only 2-3% of freight coming through it's port is not from the EU. The vast majority of these are Turkish and need full customs clearance.
Give it a rest, you're making a right tool of yourself here. |
Another thing, what on earth is your fixation with Dover? First, the figures are for the whole of the UK, stats from the ONS..
The UK, imported 55% of it's good from the EU in, and exported 51% to the eu in the 12 months up to May 2018.
You are harping back to an era where, IT systems were alot more primitive than they are now, you are stuck in the past, and, to be fair not the best past to be stuck in, the early 90's were not great.. If your customer base was to increase 10 fold, as you keep saying, and yet can't back it up with actual real figures, why are they not already recruiting and getting the training packages in place. Did you know, in 1992, you could still find whole floors in large organisation, in typing pools, in 1992 warehousing was labour intensive, move forward to the present day, typing pools are almost non existent now, and warehousing and distribution, is largely automated, whether that be with Amazon, or, even Clarks shoes.. ____________________ Beware what photos you upload, or link to on here, especially if you have family members on them |
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Oh great, that's all we need, Cameron sticking his beak in !!
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Please, try not to judge me by your standards. You scope the referendum question as leave or remain, to remain, the remain vote must have a greater total of votes, than the 2 leave options combined, so, in your example, leave with no deal, gets 30%, Tm's deal, gets 22%, that equate to 52% of the overall vote, meaning, remain, cannot get over 50%. In the scenario that you presented, leave with no deal, would be the outcome of the referendum.
There, wasn't too difficult to understand now was it? |
You don't really understand this voting lark do you? So a vote of 30% would beat a vote of 48%!
Carry on, this is comedy gold.
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I think we could all probably get behind the idea that this dude should GTFO after the exit he pulled. |
He probably sniffs the UK staying put and a way back into politics. |
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Back to avoiding the topic, so, what you are really saying, is you don't have any contracts in place as a direct result of the brexit process.. |
Correct. I've spoken to directors of 3 agents, 2 of whom want me to combine their networks to they can work together, but still as a 2 entities.
Not everyone works to contract. Some people just phone up and ask you to schedule work. I've dealt with these customers for over 15 years. They rely on me for sales, support and hosting.
I really can't see the point of this pointless point anyway. You're so desperate to claim some kind of moral victory, that you're prepared to deny that having to clear EU freight would make even a slight bit of difference to freight clearance needs of Dover Port.
Even Dianne Abbot is laughing at you.
Here you go Trigger, one more time...When talking about Dover Port freight clearance needs, you came out with this masterpiece of a statement.
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Why would imports that need clearing increase by 10 fold, just over 50% of our imports come from the eu, so, hardly a 10 fold increase? Again, back to fantasy dreamland.. |
Cracking win other than you forgetting that over 90% of Dover freight traffic comes from the EU not the rest of the world, mainly because you drive there and get a ferry from France, something quite difficult to do from the USA, Canada, Australia etc..
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Another thing, what on earth is your fixation with Dover? |
Err, because we were specifically talking about Dover. You were telling everyone how the world is going to end because of Brexit, purely based on your employer buying cheaper teabags and laying off a few contractors. I pointed out that a no deal Brexit would see my work increase, something you couldn't get your complex brain around.
Here, let me remind you where you started dribbling on your keyboard..
linuxyeti wrote: | I thought you were self employed, or, was it a case of gdpr being too difficult to understand.. And pray tell, how would your customer base increase, which of course, is not guesswork, are the contracts already signed and lined up? !! |
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Christ, you are hard work.
Here, let me explain the sodding obvious to you slowly...
linuxyeti wrote: |
The UK, imported 55% of it's good from the EU in, and exported 51% to the eu in the 12 months up to May 2018. |
Wrong! The actual text says...
Quote: | The UK imported 55% of its goods from EU countries, but exported 51% of its goods to countries outside EU in the 12-months to May 2018 |
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/balanceofpayments/bulletins/uktrade/may2018
linuxyeti wrote: | You are harping back to an era where, IT systems were alot more primitive than they are now, you are stuck in the past, and, to be fair not the best past to be stuck in, the early 90's were not great.. If your customer base was to increase 10 fold, as you keep saying, and yet can't back it up with actual real figures, why are they not already recruiting and getting the training packages in place. Did you know, in 1992, you could still find whole floors in large organisation, in typing pools, in 1992 warehousing was labour intensive, move forward to the present day, typing pools are almost non existent now, and warehousing and distribution, is largely automated, whether that be with Amazon, or, even Clarks shoes.. |
Er, because we haven't left the customs union and probably wont?
If we did, we'd need to start clearing almost 100% of incoming fright, not just the 2-3% driving through Europe from outside the EU. I could explain how that might increase demand for freight clearance, but I doubt you'd be able to comprehend it. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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