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Jefr0
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 26 Feb 2019    Post subject: ULEZ Loophole Reply with quote

Hi all

It mentions it in the other thread (TFL letter also attached) that for motorcycles are subject to ULEZ if:

Registered after July 2007
or
NOx emissions equal to or less than 0.15 grams per kilometer

If you get hold of your NOx emissions from your v5 you can email TFL to prove your bike is not subject to ULEZ and they'll update their database with your bike alone (not entire model range)

As most people have realized, this information is usually blanked out on the v5. For Honda, you can contact:

certificateofconformity@honda-eu.com

I emailed Honda and got my certificate of conformity, which for my bike happens to be 0.19g/km.

My bike is a Honda XR 125 L3 - 53 plate.

I've been emailing TFL with what I think is a fair argument:

A Honda XR 125 L6 - 07 plate will fail if registered before July 2007.
A Honda XR 125 L6 - 57 plate will pass if registered after July 2007.

It's the exact same bike, yet one fails. The bike hasn't changed since even my L3. The L6 also produces 0.19g/km, which would mean you're subject to ULEZ.

It's the exact same bike? That's what I've been trying to get across to TFL with no luck. I have a L3 and a L6 both registered before July 2007, which emit the exact same emissions as an L6 July 2007 onwards...

Anyone had any luck as this is pretty frustrating I have two bikes I use for work, which emit the same emissions so going to have to sell them both, then by another XR or two, 57 plate onwards when they're all the same bike!

Has anyone got around the loophole and found their bike less than 0.15g/km or had a similar argument to mine above which I think is fair...

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PostPosted: 15:51 - 26 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Source a completely fucked later bike and use the plate.
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PostPosted: 12:51 - 08 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've emailed Yamaha asking for my emissions data, should hear back in 10 working days. They said if it meets the NOX emissions requirements they'll charge 60 for a certificate of conformity and I can provide that to TfL. Fingers crossed.
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 08 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yahama have got back to me confirming my 2005 FZ6 has 0.11g/km of NOx emissions and so is ULEZ compliant. Great news.
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 08 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

thehairysmiter wrote:
Yahama have got back to me confirming my 2005 FZ6 has 0.11g/km of NOx emissions and so is ULEZ compliant. Great news.


Great news! Bound to be worth a shot... Don't suppose you have an email address for them?
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 08 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just got my confirmation through from cclondon about my 2004 BMW. I didn't have a certificate of conformity, just a letter from BMW. Attached that to the enquiry form along with a scan of my V5c and got this email back:

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Thank you for your enquiry received on 7 March 2019, regarding the Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ.
Based on the information that you have provided we can confirm that your vehicle, registration ******, meets the Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) emissions standards. This means you will not need to pay an ULEZ charge to travel in the zone, from 8 April 2019.
The vehicle compliance database will be updated to reflect the correct details of your vehicle, before the scheme commences.

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PostPosted: 23:58 - 10 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

SUZUKI CERTIFICATE OF CONFORMITY LINK HERE - however they charge 95 for it.

not sure its worth applying until I know what my 02 bandit 600 pumps out.

EDIT - first reference I find is for a 99, Greenhouse gases: 15.3 CO2 g/km. (CO2 - Carbon dioxide emission) . doesn't look good . Middle Finger
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PostPosted: 00:32 - 11 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll stick my neck out and say that no pre-2007 carbed bike is going to be ULEZ compliant.
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PostPosted: 05:24 - 12 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keir wrote:
not sure its worth applying until I know what my 02 bandit 600 pumps out.


I think the bandit needed substantial alterations to make it through emissions standards, I very much doubt the 05-07 oil cooled 650 is getting through.
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 12 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the email I got from Yamaha in response to my enquiry about my aircooled 1990s carburettored bike:

Yamaha Customer Service wrote:

Good Afternoon,

Thank you for your enquiry.

Due to the age of this machine it was not subject to emissions testing, in this instance there is no recorded NOx value for the machine that we can advise of.

Kind Regards


This is a good response. It means I am free to seek emissions certification independently from an engineer. I favour the southern European approach to unjust bureaucratic diktats.
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 13 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
I just got my confirmation through from cclondon about my 2004 BMW. I didn't have a certificate of conformity, just a letter from BMW. Attached that to the enquiry form along with a scan of my V5c and got this email back:

Quote:
Thank you for your enquiry received on 7 March 2019, regarding the Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ.
Based on the information that you have provided we can confirm that your vehicle, registration ******, meets the Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) emissions standards. This means you will not need to pay an ULEZ charge to travel in the zone, from 8 April 2019.
The vehicle compliance database will be updated to reflect the correct details of your vehicle, before the scheme commences.


I wonder how many letters are getting faked? Would be fraud but I wonder if they keep hold of them for history?

I'm surprised they're charging for the certificates when Honda gave me mine for free.

thehairysmiter wrote:
Yahama have got back to me confirming my 2005 FZ6 has 0.11g/km of NOx emissions and so is ULEZ compliant. Great news.


How can a 2005 FZ6 emit less NOx emissions than a little 125 Crying or Very sad

I ended up buying a CB125F 68 plate so I'm covered now. Just haven't got a spare bike without having to pay 12.50 a day.
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 13 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jefr0 wrote:


I wonder how many letters are getting faked? Would be fraud but I wonder if they keep hold of them for history?

I'm surprised they're charging for the certificates when Honda gave me mine for free.


I wasn't charged for my letter, but only because the certificate of conformity didn't hold the info required. Others have received a low-res copy of the certificate with a huge watermark on it, and a demand for 120 for a genuine cert, but printed off the low-res document and got an exemption using that.

Forging one of these would be foolish, because if you got caught out later down the line there would be one hell of a bill coming your way. 2 or 3 years of 12.50 a day is a fair wedge (3-4k a year) to pay back.

The letter I got from cclondon also said this:

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IMPORTANT NOTICE
The compliance status of your vehicle for the Ultra Low Emission Zone has been calculated based on the information
you provided. It is your responsibility to ensure the information you provide is accurate. Every effort is made to ensure
that the information we provide you is correct at the date of our response. However, we provide no warranty as to the
accuracy of the information and accept no legal liability or responsibility for its accuracy. If you are in any doubt over
your vehicle's Euro emission standard, please refer to your vehicle registration document - also known as a V5C - or
contact your vehicle manufacturer.

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PostPosted: 22:57 - 15 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

think i will try my luck and see if i can get a blanket COC for the Suzuki GSXR 1000 k5/k6 models as thats the only bike I really want back again!
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 16 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

woo wrote:
think i will try my luck and see if i can get a blanket COC for the Suzuki GSXR 1000 k5/k6 models as thats the only bike I really want back again!


What you want is blanket type-approval. COC is individual to each VIN so you won't get a blanket one of those. Type approval covers is more like a standard that the model is built to.
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 16 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bhud wrote:
thehairysmiter wrote:
Yahama have got back to me confirming my 2005 FZ6 has 0.11g/km of NOx emissions and so is ULEZ compliant. Great news.


Great news! Bound to be worth a shot... Don't suppose you have an email address for them?


Cust.Service@yamaha-motor.co.uk
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