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| Posted: 12:20 - 28 Mar 2019 Post subject: Re: quick brexit-related question RE aldi and lidl |
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| trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote: | Is it very unlikely / possible / probable that Aldi and Lidl outlets would close in the event of a no deal, hard brexit situation?
I'm really not sure but I was thinking that these two companies seem to have flourished since we've become more integrated with Europe.
I wondered if this is because they can import their fresh produce more quickly and cheaply than ever before.
If we return to a situation where boarders become far less open, would it fuck their business model up? |
Yeah, all foreign companies will pull out, including Maccy D's.
FFS, really?
A lot of Aldi's fresh goods come from the UK and any imported from the EU will only incur a small import tarrif if at all.
https://www.aldi.co.uk/about-aldi/corporate-responsibility/suppliers/back-british-farming
These European firms are not going to abandon the largest single market in Europe just because they MAY end up paying a small import tariff.
How do you think we get cheaper lamb from New Zealand than English lamb?
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| Posted: 12:44 - 28 Mar 2019 Post subject: Re: quick brexit-related question RE aldi and lidl |
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How do you think we get cheaper lamb from New Zealand than English lamb? |
...because sheep farms in New Zealand are much larger and can produce lamb at significantly less cost to the farmer per unit than we can, significant enough at the moment to overcome the additional cost of distribution.
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Posted: 13:07 - 28 Mar 2019  Post subject: Re: quick brexit-related question RE aldi and lidl |
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| Diggs wrote: | | mpd72 CPT wrote: |
How do you think we get cheaper lamb from New Zealand than English lamb? |
...because sheep farms in New Zealand are much larger and can produce lamb at significantly less cost to the farmer per unit than we can, significant enough at the moment to overcome the additional cost of distribution. |
And..... come on, you're nearly there Tarquin....., And even transporting heavy goods from the other side of the planet, from a country we have no free trade deals with, so having to pay import duty on, is still competitive and clearly not the issue the Remoaners would like us to believe.
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| Posted: 14:17 - 28 Mar 2019 Post subject: Re: quick brexit-related question RE aldi and lidl |
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And..... come on, you're nearly there Tarquin....., And even transporting heavy goods from the other side of the planet, from a country we have no free trade deals with, so having to pay import duty on, is still competitive and clearly not the issue the Remoaners would like us to believe.
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Do I increase my mark by pointing out that this isn't sustainable because of the rising cost of fuel, and that regardless of Brexit we will reach a point where we have to either accept that lamb becomes a luxury product, or we manipulate the market in the UK to make its production cheaper at the expense of something else?
I'm not sure you understand the economic argument as well as you think you do.
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| Posted: 14:46 - 28 Mar 2019 Post subject: Re: quick brexit-related question RE aldi and lidl |
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| Diggs wrote: | | mpd72 CPT wrote: |
And..... come on, you're nearly there Tarquin....., And even transporting heavy goods from the other side of the planet, from a country we have no free trade deals with, so having to pay import duty on, is still competitive and clearly not the issue the Remoaners would like us to believe.
2/10 for effort. |
Do I increase my mark by pointing out that this isn't sustainable because of the rising cost of fuel, and that regardless of Brexit we will reach a point where we have to either accept that lamb becomes a luxury product, or we manipulate the market in the UK to make its production cheaper at the expense of something else?
I'm not sure you understand the economic argument as well as you think you do. |
Oh fuck me, you’re back onto Caroline Lucas on horseback again!
What utter nonsense. Science moves on Tarquin. 100 years ago ludites like you thought we’d be decked when coal ran out. Guess what? We found a cheaper, cleaner energy source.
Horses emit more CO2 than an ICE car per KM.
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Let's not go there.
Any farmer who owns land in East Anglia, the fens, Lincolnshire is rich. Fin.
Anyway it won't matter if we leave with no deal. The UK will self destruct. I know because Val told me so  |
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Posted: 20:16 - 28 Mar 2019  Post subject: Re: quick brexit-related question RE aldi and lidl |
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| trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote: | Is it very unlikely / possible / probable that Aldi and Lidl outlets would close in the event of a no deal, hard brexit situation?
I'm really not sure but I was thinking that these two companies seem to have flourished since we've become more integrated with Europe.
I wondered if this is because they can import their fresh produce more quickly and cheaply than ever before.
If we return to a situation where boarders become far less open, would it fuck their business model up? |
Not likely. In the event of no deal government emergency plan is to make 0% import tariffs.
The only problem will be for UK consumers. Aldi and all others like Asda, Tesco will start importing cheap shit from US and China.
Which literally means UK consumer will eat shit. US FDA lower standards allow up to an average of 3 milligrams of rat poop per pound.
Also that means the end of British farming and any industry like steel, cars, aerospace. Because EU will have 45% tariffs on UK farming goods.
Importing fresh produce will affect all in same way including Tesco.
Supply chain issues will affect more manufacturing then food retailers.
Having said all that there is not even remote chance No deal to happen. There is no UK government that will allow that. Even if May tries Parliament will just revoke article 50.
No deal is so devastating on the UK no chance this will be allowed to happen.
Also happy Remain day! Tomorrow is 29 March the day we are still staying in the EU.
Me and some elitist friends ere will be poping up the cork at 11pm.
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| Posted: 21:15 - 28 Mar 2019 Post subject: Re: quick brexit-related question RE aldi and lidl |
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Agriculture is subsidised across most of the developed world. Did you not notice? |
I did. Most of ours comes from the CAP, which once we have left the EU for good our Government will have to make up, otherwise the cost of home-reared lamb will skyrocket. Part of the argument for us leaving is that we will buy more home-produced food, and that is a good thing. Trouble is, in order for our home-grown food to remain the same price in shops, our Government will have to replace the CAP at an opportunity cost elsewhere in the economy.
Lamb is a good example of a food that will go up in price unless the industry remains subsidised. Mdma's view that we will continue to import lamb from New Zealand at no extra cost is nonsense unless we find another way of transporting it as cheaply as we do now.
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| Posted: 22:15 - 28 Mar 2019 Post subject: Re: quick brexit-related question RE aldi and lidl |
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Lamb is a good example of a food that will go up in price unless the industry remains subsidised. |
I've refused to buy lamb for years now because it's so expensive, wherever the fuck it comes from. Soon, you will be able to appreciate my world!
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| mpd72 CPT wrote: | And who do you think funds the EU CAP?
As for oil powered ships being the cheapest form of transport which will ever exist? Funny guy. |
You seem to think that leaving the EU will make lamb cheaper because we will buy our own, then argue that we'll continue to import it.
Part of the argument for leaving the EU is because we are net contributors, ignoring the less tangible benefits. If we simply spend our money on replacing CAP funding, this makes the argument weaker.
As somebody who works in the industry albeit in an administrative capacity, you can doubtless enlighten me as to where these many millions of tonnes of cheaper ships are hiding, and why our ports aren't full of them instead.
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You seem to think that leaving the EU will make lamb cheaper because we will buy our own, then argue that we'll continue to import it. |
Bullshit. That's not what I said at all is it? Making stuff up now to try to win the debate? 
The point I'm actually making, which you're fully aware of, but choose to ignore because it defeats your argument, is that even if we leave the EU and get tariffs on food, it's not the end of the world. It will not make an awful lot of difference if we can import lamb from the other side of the world and pay tariffs on it, for cheaper than we can produce in the UK.
| Diggs wrote: | Part of the argument for leaving the EU is because we are net contributors, ignoring the less tangible benefits. If we simply spend our money on replacing CAP funding, this makes the argument weaker. |
More bollocks. You are fully aware that our net contribution is well into the billions. We do not put in the same amount they give us back in subsidies as you're fully aware, but once again ignoring because it doesn't fit your agenda.
| Diggs wrote: | As somebody who works in the industry albeit in an administrative capacity, you can doubtless enlighten me as to where these many millions of tonnes of cheaper ships are hiding, and why our ports aren't full of them instead. |
Not this shit again. Your ridiculous argument has been blown out of the water time and time again on here by many posters. You seem to assume science has finished finding suitable energy sources for transport with fossil fuels. Like I keep saying, at one time we thought we were fucked when coal ran out and then we found a better source. We already have nuclear powered aircraft carriers and solar is moving on. Science will find a way, there will be life after oil, which going by the militant junior Snowflakes and their bunking off school to push left wing propagandaStriking, may happen sooner that you think.
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