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bhinso wrote: | It's a good question.
My understanding is the motocross bikes are purely off-road. They have off-road tyres (knobblies), powerful engines and a light frame. They are usually illegal to ride on the road.
Enduro is the halfway house. They can be ridden off or on road but are not ideally suited for either. An example was my KMX125, with enduro tyres (semi-knobbly). Road legal, but it was a mistake to try and corner at significant speed. It is possible to tune them more to offroad riding by swapping the tyres to knobblies.
Supermoto's are suitable for road riding. They have small wheels and road tyres (slicks). Much easier to corner on them but I wouldn't think of taking one off road without a wheel swap. |
Sort of right, but Motocross and Enduro are sports which are quite different.
Motocross is a sport performed on prepared tracks, with jumps, berms and ruts, usually mud, or sandy ground. Motocross bikes are peaky vicious things, very tall and very difficult (although not impossible) to make road legal.
Enduro is a sport where people ride off road bikes through long sections of prepared or unprepared countryside over LONG periods of time from a couple of hours to dawn to dusk in some cases. Usually enduro bikes are road legal because there are some byway or green lane sections of the enduro course. They are usually more flexible and a bit heavier than Motocross bikes, but there are some enduro bikes that are basically converted MX bikes. They are still sometimes rather vicious but usually more rideable. The tyres are often similar to MX tyres but are road legal, but I still wouldn't want to do a lot of road miles on an enduro tyre...
Supermoto started in France in the 1980s where they wanted to see which disciplines bred the fastest riders, so they came up with a hybrid style of tarmac and dirt riding somewhat akin to Rallycross in the car world. Road racers competed with MX stars, and the riders were known as "Supermotard"s.
Supermotos are often seen on the road because manufacturers build them, but there is definitely a difference between a competition Supermoto bike and a road bike with some 17" rims and road tyres. You can't generally take them off road unless you are crazy or you convert them back to off road rims with knobbly tyres.
There is also a sort of subset called 'Trail' which is basically a soft-roader with hybrid road/off road tyres. But this term has really fallen out of favour in favour of 'Dual sport' or 'Adventure' in some cases. Usually these bikes are pretty useless off road, but can go off road sometimes.
So what you choose depends on what you want to get out of off roading. Do you want to legally ride on green lanes? do you want to race in Enduros? Do you want to race Motocross? Do you just want a tall ish good looking bike for the road? ____________________ British beauty: Triumph Street Triple R; Loony stroker: KR1S; Track fun: GSXR750 L1; Commuter Missile: GSX-S1000F
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If you just want a taste of off road riding, I can highly recommend https://www.mickextanceexperience.com/. Really good set up, plenty of bike time over some fun terrain.
If you want a club or a group of people to ride with who know all the LEGAL lanes you can have fun on, Join the TRF. Most local groups have
non members rides, so you can 'try before you buy', and most groups have a facebook page where you can get details on the aforementioned rides. ____________________ Current bike - 2018 H2-SX, 2004 SV1000s, 2016 Aprilia RSV4 RF, 2017 Sherco SERF 300, 2003 Suzuki DRZ400 (stolen - AY53 JUU) |
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MarJay wrote: | bhinso wrote: | It's a good question.
My understanding is the motocross bikes are purely off-road. They have off-road tyres (knobblies), powerful engines and a light frame. They are usually illegal to ride on the road.
Enduro is the halfway house. They can be ridden off or on road but are not ideally suited for either. An example was my KMX125, with enduro tyres (semi-knobbly). Road legal, but it was a mistake to try and corner at significant speed. It is possible to tune them more to offroad riding by swapping the tyres to knobblies.
Supermoto's are suitable for road riding. They have small wheels and road tyres (slicks). Much easier to corner on them but I wouldn't think of taking one off road without a wheel swap. |
Sort of right, but Motocross and Enduro are sports which are quite different.
Motocross is a sport performed on prepared tracks, with jumps, berms and ruts, usually mud, or sandy ground. Motocross bikes are peaky vicious things, very tall and very difficult (although not impossible) to make road legal.
Enduro is a sport where people ride off road bikes through long sections of prepared or unprepared countryside over LONG periods of time from a couple of hours to dawn to dusk in some cases. Usually enduro bikes are road legal because there are some byway or green lane sections of the enduro course. They are usually more flexible and a bit heavier than Motocross bikes, but there are some enduro bikes that are basically converted MX bikes. They are still sometimes rather vicious but usually more rideable. The tyres are often similar to MX tyres but are road legal, but I still wouldn't want to do a lot of road miles on an enduro tyre...
Supermoto started in France in the 1980s where they wanted to see which disciplines bred the fastest riders, so they came up with a hybrid style of tarmac and dirt riding somewhat akin to Rallycross in the car world. Road racers competed with MX stars, and the riders were known as "Supermotard"s.
Supermotos are often seen on the road because manufacturers build them, but there is definitely a difference between a competition Supermoto bike and a road bike with some 17" rims and road tyres. You can't generally take them off road unless you are crazy or you convert them back to off road rims with knobbly tyres.
There is also a sort of subset called 'Trail' which is basically a soft-roader with hybrid road/off road tyres. But this term has really fallen out of favour in favour of 'Dual sport' or 'Adventure' in some cases. Usually these bikes are pretty useless off road, but can go off road sometimes.
So what you choose depends on what you want to get out of off roading. Do you want to legally ride on green lanes? do you want to race in Enduros? Do you want to race Motocross? Do you just want a tall ish good looking bike for the road? |
Motocross racing is not what i'm looking for then. Enduro type stuff is definitely appealing, though i don't necessarily want to do it just for the racing, i'd like to be able to take the bike though a field or forest, and just have fun with it - taking obstacles, inclines, learning to do those pivot u-turn thingies, crossing streams, etc. It would also have to be road legal since i have no other means of hauling a bike around.
Based on that, would this be enduro? Dual sport?
Looking at some bikes for sale i was liking the look of the Honda CRF250L which looks like it would fill that role if i found a place to practice/learn. What do you reckon?
Btw thanks to both of you for the explanations! ____________________ "I wild each it lol that meet their naked" |
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Monkeypony wrote: | If you just want a taste of off road riding, I can highly recommend https://www.mickextanceexperience.com/. Really good set up, plenty of bike time over some fun terrain.
If you want a club or a group of people to ride with who know all the LEGAL lanes you can have fun on, Join the TRF. Most local groups have
non members rides, so you can 'try before you buy', and most groups have a facebook page where you can get details on the aforementioned rides. |
That Mick Extance thing looks really good, just a shame it's all the way in Wales when i'm in London. So if i did go that would have to be a whole weekend trip.
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c_dug wrote: | As a complete newbie I'd probably look at some instruction before going off road I reckon.
It's perfectly possible without, and to be frank I'm sure most people just get on and do it, but learning to get your weight in the right place and to use the controls properly on different surfaces will take you months if not years of potentially painful and expensive experience before you're really decently competent. A days instruction will cut that right down.
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This. I'm probably a better rider off road these days, but when I first started I was self taught, then when I went on some off road courses with friends I had a lot of bad habits that I couldn't unlearn in a day, particularly getting the right balance point when I stood up. These days I rarely sit down, as it just feels more natural and comfortable standing up. Another thing, is I never used my front brake, ever. Nowadays I cover the clutch and the front brake most the time when I'm stood up.
My riding came on leaps and bounds when I did some off road courses in N.Z and I learned the most on a tiny CRF230, bit of a mountain goat, just point it up the hill and keep the throttle open and up it went
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Mafioso wrote: | That Mick Extance thing looks really good |
Another vote for Mick Extance, if you can get there - had a great day there a couple of years ago ____________________ KC100->CB100N->CB250RS--------->DL650AL2->R1200RS->R1250RS |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 32 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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