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PostPosted: 18:01 - 05 May 2019    Post subject: Black Forest and Bodensee late May Reply with quote

Right, off on a solo trip on the CB650F in a couple of weeks, looking forward to it but any tips experiences that could be shared would be great.

I did a solo trip to the South of Spain a couple of years ago, and in terms of what I will do differently this time, 1) no camping 2)travel by ferry not chunnel, 3) no more than 5 hours of riding per day.

Booked me an airbnb near gueux in France (former F1 circuit) the first night then a hotel near Bodensee.

Got about 5 days in Germany, want to visit black forest, Austria /Switzerland loop south of bodensee, Neuschwanstein Castle in Bavaria, and finally the Merc museum in stuttgart probably on the way home.

Any experiences or tips on these areas would be great , most importantly where is the best black forest gateau?

Also any quirks of riding in Deutschland generally?
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PostPosted: 18:10 - 05 May 2019    Post subject: Re: Black Forest and Bodensee late May Reply with quote

lynnnsr wrote:
Also any quirks of riding in Deutschland generally?


Do NOT speed in restricted area's on the Autobahn. You will get fucked financially, at a minimum, with potential for your bike being siezed.

On the Autobahn, pay a lot of attention to what in the other lane behind you before you pull out for overtakes., vehicles are on top of you much faster than you think in unrestricted sections. Standard of driving and lane discipline is generally far better.
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 05 May 2019    Post subject: Re: Black Forest and Bodensee late May Reply with quote

lynnnsr wrote:
most importantly where is the best black forest gateau?


Don't know if it's the best, but had a gorgeous one at Wolfach:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Wolfach,+Germany/@48.3084957,8.1714522,12.47z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x4790cfaf1d4fa725:0x41f6bb7a5df86b0!8m2!3d48.2923644!4d8.2149156

Pretty little town, too:

https://i.postimg.cc/SNgbCGhb/DSCN0050.jpg
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 05 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lake Constance is nothing special except for the nice view over to Swiss Alps (if not foggy/rainy)
Very busy congested road along the North Shore.
There's a nice ride not far into Austria goes up to two dams its called Silvretta - there's a toll but it's worth it.
You can see their webcam here
https://www.montafon.at/en/service/webcams
It's still very snowy but is usually open by now they will soon clear it.
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 05 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool, thanks for all these exactly what I was looking for Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 06 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Titisee Neustat, near Freiburg is very pretty, cuckoo Clock country, Black Forest area etc.
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PostPosted: 09:02 - 07 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grubscrew wrote:
Freiburg ..... cuckoo Clock country, Black Forest area etc.


Yep, if you like cuckoo clocks and some amazing wood carving have a look at Freiburg.
You can also visit
https://www.cuckoopalace.com/cuckoo-clocks-blog/worlds-largest-cuckoo-clock-in-tribergblack-forest

People I've spoken to have tended to say that Switzerland isn't really worth the effort as it's so expensive.
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 07 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

jnw010 wrote:


People I've spoken to have tended to say that Switzerland isn't really worth the effort as it's so expensive.

The touristy parts especially, I was charged about £10 for coffee and a cake in 1990. Confused

If you enter by smaller roads you won't be forced to buy motorway ticket and can get a feel for the place round some of the smaller villages and towns which are more down to earth.

There are some truly stunning places e.g. Lauterbrunnen valley, which in a way everyone should see if they can.
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 07 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Switzerland is feckin expensive, but worth it at least once if you go to the right places. The Susten/Grimsel/Furka pass loop is worth at least a couple of days, with great roads, some sublime views and many cafes to stop at to soak it all up. Nufenen Pass is worth the ride too, and +1 for Lauterbrunnen for scenery, Grindelwald too.

It's the connecting roads between the best spots that are tedious (50mph limits and always concerned about speed cameras - fines are allegedly frightening), although I stayed off of all toll roads. From the roads I used, you could see many of the toll routes backed up with traffic anyway.

See the trip in my sig. for more Smile
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PostPosted: 08:01 - 08 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enjoying chickenstrip's trips this morning while on a boring train journey to Birmingham

Chickenstrip - were these solo trips?
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 08 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 2016 Italy/Austria trip was with a mate, the others solo.
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 10 May 2019    Post subject: Re: Black Forest and Bodensee late May Reply with quote

lynnnsr wrote:
gateau?


this will get you killed. it's called cake.

this is where you ought to get some. cafe type place called Dorfschmiede in a town called Hochenschwand. we've been a few times now on various trips and all of the cakes are excellent (last summer we sampled enough for a family of 6). they have very good coffee also.

https://scontent.fbhx3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37105880_10156250425770795_873829161003646976_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent.fbhx3-1.fna&oh=008527a4f2d8caf508e1ee355446f5cc&oe=5D2B4207

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PostPosted: 19:13 - 10 May 2019    Post subject: Re: Black Forest and Bodensee late May Reply with quote

lynnnsr wrote:


Also any quirks of riding in Deutschland generally?


don't filter. it's illegal and "reportedly" turns ordinary germans into savage vigilantes.
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 10 May 2019    Post subject: Re: Black Forest and Bodensee late May Reply with quote

lynnnsr wrote:

Any experiences


you won't need trips. B500 from baden baden to koblenz (swiss koblenz, not the one further up germany) is all you'll need. it's very good. and has some lovely offshoots if the fancy takes you at any time.
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 10 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

we followed chickenstrips advice and stayed in Wolfach. it was indeed a nice peaceful little town and a good base for trips north and south. we found a nice biker friendly place for dinner just south of there on the edge of Gutach too... very friendly, very good english, very good very large schnitzel for like 6.50

the b&b place gave us a small barn to keep our bikes in too, and were very hospitable with tools and clutch fluid for my mate's aprilia. it was called Josenhof
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 11 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whats that aprilla like? Always thought it might be right up my street but ive never seen one in the flesh.
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PostPosted: 00:20 - 14 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tdibs wrote:
Whats that aprilla like? Always thought it might be right up my street but ive never seen one in the flesh.


it's my friends so I've only very limited miles on it. but it's comfortable. torquey. reasonably quick. very good on fuel (while we were away he was always putting 5-10 quid less fuel than me in and the blackbird is fairly good on fuel itself). handles decent too.

he was always fiddling with it when he first got it, but simple stuff and even changing the ecu maps etc yourself is very simple.

theyre prone to killing coils, but they run the same coil as some citroen car so you can pick them up at the fraction of the cost from eurocarparts and swap the connector over.

engine is same as in the mille and falco, but with a slightly different state of tune. reliable as the sunrise.
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 15 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi lynnnsr

Please let us know how you get on. I'm hoping I'll have enough hols left to try a 5 day round trip to teh area later in the year (was plan last year too though so..)

Cheers
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 15 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

ocatoro wrote:
we followed chickenstrips advice and stayed in Wolfach. it was indeed a nice peaceful little town and a good base for trips north and south.


Nice to hear that worked out for you Smile
Staying there would have been death by calories for me though Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 15 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:


Nice to hear that worked out for you Smile
Staying there would have been death by calories for me though Laughing


we didn't actually find the bakery... we rode through the high street in your pic. we should have tried harder and walked around to be honest, but we were slow getting going in the mornings and on our way somewhere thereafter.

Next time!!
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 15 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

It wasn't a bakery I stopped at, it was a cafe/restaurant on that main road, seating outside.

In actual fact, Black Forest Gateau, or any confectionary, hadn't been on my mind, but then I saw this huge monstrosity on display at the counter, among other similarly dangerous concoctions and, well, there just wasn't any way I could see to avoid it! Drooling
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 16 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice!

the place we span by for the cakes in Hochenschwand was only because on a car trip to Italy previously we realised we were pretty much leaving the area and still hadn't had the famous cake. so we stopped and googled and that happened to only be a 2 mile detour from wherever it was we were, in heavy rain. so this time we aimed for it as the food, coffee, and service had been excellent 2 years prior. the ladies working there were still wearing the olde costumes too, and a vintage tractor parade of some sort came past while we were eating on the balcony
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

While we are on the subject of Black Forest Gateaux why is it a Gateaux when cake in German is Kuchen, so why is it not Black Forest Kuchen ?

Or even Schwarzwälder Kirschtorte.
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

raesewell wrote:
While we are on the subject of Black Forest Gateaux why is it a Gateaux when cake in German is Kuchen, so why is it not Black Forest Kuchen ?

Or even Schwarzwälder Kirschtorte.


it is.

if you say gateau in the black forest they get angry.

I don't know how this became the common usage in britain. isn't it just french for "light cake"?
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PostPosted: 11:16 - 20 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it's finally arrived, off work now so leaving early doors for ferry to calais.

Weather not looking perfect, but just got to get out there and enjoy it.

I'll post what I can, as I go along, but I did say that on my Spain trip and gave up after London due to fatigue caused by excessive daily mileages!
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