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PostPosted: 12:48 - 15 May 2019    Post subject: Benefits Cap Reply with quote

Fcuk me, they are moaning at a benefits cap of £20000 outside London.

Pensioners have to survive on six grand a year.

Sorry, if you can't pay for your kids, don't have them.

https://home.bt.com/news/uk-news/lone-parents-lose-supreme-court-fight-over-benefit-cap-11364362165489
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 15 May 2019    Post subject: Re: Benefits Cap Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Fcuk me, they are moaning at a benefits cap of £20000 outside London.

Pensioners have to survive on six grand a year.

Sorry, if you can't pay for your kids, don't have them.

https://home.bt.com/news/uk-news/lone-parents-lose-supreme-court-fight-over-benefit-cap-11364362165489


Can't argue with that. We are where we are though as a society, and if the kids aren't housed and fed within their family environment there is only one logical solution...
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 15 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benefits Cap?

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Or maybe?

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PostPosted: 15:48 - 15 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol.

No I'm not exactly saying send 'em down the workhouse, but benefits should be a support mechanism for tough times, not a lifestyle choice.

For example, £20,000 year cap but yet:

Polly Neate, chief executive of Shelter, said: ďTodayís decision is deeply disappointing, and is a blow to the many lone parents who are struggling to keep a roof over their childrenís heads due to the benefit cap.

ďSome families we work with are left with 50p a week towards their rent

Sure her name isn't Polly Abbot?
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 15 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

And when all these kids aren't about to pay for the next wave of pensioners...

Catch 22.
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 15 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, population increases since 2000 (whether working or not) mean increased elderly dependents from 2030+.

What worries me is that if someone on benefits is pumping out children, said children will be encouraged towards that lifestyle themselves. I'm not saying they will, but I certainly saw my parents as role models when I was a kid.
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 15 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to worry, plenty more immigrants we can invite over to pay all that National Insurance Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 15 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

What incentive is there for the second, third and forth generation of scrotes to work and pay tax when Ma and Pa lived quite comfortably without lifting a finger?

Itís the age old argument. The liberal left will make out people on benefits need food banks and are starving. Those of us in the real world see people who live off the state quite comfortably.

Food banks are about peopleís lack of ability to prioritise, nothing more, nothing less, although of course the lefties will disagree. If youíre driving to a food bank in a leased car, in designer clothes clutching a thousand pound IPhone, you are a moron, not a victim of poverty.
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 15 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

And those of us who are rational know not every single person on benefits lives a life of luxury, but they're an easy target, the same as you tar all Muzzy's as nonces.
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PostPosted: 07:24 - 16 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What incentive is there for the second, third and forth generation of scrotes to work and pay tax when Ma and Pa lived quite comfortably without lifting a finger?

Itís the age old argument. The liberal left will make out people on benefits need food banks and are starving. Those of us in the real world see people who live off the state quite comfortably.

Food banks are about peopleís lack of ability to prioritise, nothing more, nothing less, although of course the lefties will disagree. If youíre driving to a food bank in a leased car, in designer clothes clutching a thousand pound IPhone, you are a moron, not a victim of poverty.


What is your personal experience of people who visit foodbanks? I agree that if you drive to a foodbank in a car you pay for, in designer clothes with a 1k iPhone then your priorities are wrong, however you are doing exactly what you are programmed to do by making this statement - demonise everybody who visits them irrespective of their circumstances. Surely you realise this?

You sir, should be employed by the Daily Mail.
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PostPosted: 08:25 - 16 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
And when all these kids aren't about to pay for the next wave of pensioners...

Catch 22.


Only because the government do what is illegal for private companies to do, steal the pension contribution money. If they had invested it when they received it there wouldn't be this problem. Oh, and the amount I paid in NI was astronomical compared with I will receive from my state pension so it's not just kids that pay for other people.

Also, who's to say there will be the jobs for all these people, and by jobs, I mean proper paying jobs and not 0 hours contracts topped up by tax credits and the like.
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PostPosted: 08:40 - 16 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What is your personal experience of people who visit foodbanks?


The same as you, but of course as usual, you're right and everyone else is wrong. How much in value do you think people walk out with in tins of beans and dried pasta? £5? £10? How much did it cost them to drive there? It's just more of this fascination of the left to create victims where non exist, in an attempt to pretend the Tories are the party of the rich. In reality, the poor who bother to work are far better off than they have been for a long, long time, with increases in wages, income credit and raising of tax thresholds.

We've done this argument to death on here. Food is incredibly cheap in this country. I live off around £25 a week on all supermarket shopping and I hardly skimp it, I just make a lot of things from scratch.

Most portions can be made for under £1 a meal from a roast chicken dinner to lasagne. I've already shown this including links to all the ingredients.
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PostPosted: 09:11 - 16 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most food banks I know of are ran by local people and the food is donated by companys and not by the government. I fail to see what's worth complaining about in all honesty.

Why don't you try volunteering in one, then you'll have the full story on the kinds of people that use the service. Thats not meant to be sarcastic Laughing

There's one round the corner from me but I don't see many people coming and going, and those that do seem to get quite a bit judging by the straining bags.

I think you have to be in receipt of benefits to take advantage of it - not entirely sure though.
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PostPosted: 09:12 - 16 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
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What is your personal experience of people who visit foodbanks?


The same as you, but of course as usual, you're right and everyone else is wrong.


I am genuinely confused here. Are you telling me that nobody is poor in this country, and that everybody who uses a foodbank does so because they choose to spend money on cars instead? Even you must realise that this isn't the case.

If you argued that some people spend money on booze and fags rather than food, your view would make some sense. However, this isn't the case for everybody who needs help. My sister and brother in law volunteer at a food bank in West Yorkshire not too far from your ancestral home, and tell me that there are two types of people who visit regularly:

1. People who can't manage their own lives through alcohol or drug-related mental health issues.

2. People who do work, but the wage isn't enough to live on. These people typically have kids, and have to choose between essentials like rent, school-shoes, gas, electricity and eating.

I'm made up for you about your weekly shopping bill and your ability to make a chicken dinner for £1.
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 16 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The left will always attack charities as they are a way of solving a problem without the intervention of the state.

As far as the actually reality of living on the bread line my eldest works in hospitality which is one of those real up and down industries. Any financial low-points are filled in by Universal Thingy.

This is paid monthly as some bright spark in government thought "these people" should get used to budgeting a monthly "salary" just like everyone else! Except the lowest paid segments of society still tend to get paid weekly.

Calculations are based on the previous month's income. Imagine if in Month 1 you earned £300 and in Month 2 £800 and Month 3 £300 again:

End of Month 1: universal credit starts so u.c. 0 + income 300 = 300
End of Month 2: credit top up 500 + income 800 = 1300
End of Month 3: credit top up 300 + income 300 = 600

So we're asking the poorest people who might not have the best grip on how to budget weekly to not only have to wait till the end of the month for half their income but we're also going to send them on a financial roller coaster if they don't have a job with consistent hours.

Also consider some months you have 5 weeks so the universal credit calculations may drop your income off a cliff the next month and you won't get that back the next month.
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PostPosted: 10:47 - 16 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh gosh reading through the comments and the lifestyle choice for future generations of those same families. Takes me back 25 years and in my street was one of those mothers who'd pump out babies by different men and as regularly as possible.
Now, the mother did have some basic learning difficulties (could barely read or write) but nothing more.
I can still remember the oldest child, a girl and around 5 at the time. She was pleasant and would sometimes chat. One day she proudly announced to me 'I'm never going to work me. I'm going to be just like my mam and have as many babies as possible and get a free house'. It sent shudders down my spine because big family and if they all carried that attitude then the world would be screwed.
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A changed person that girl. Married, two kids and working as a carer for those less able. Somehow, somewhere, social services and other teams must have worked some magic into those kids and steered them in the right direction. A good story you could say.

The £20k cap is huge. I don't know why those parents are being so greedy. I know a single parent mother with one kid. The mother is disabled. Her cap sits at around £16500. She has a good life and wants nothing.
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 16 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

HardlyDavidson wrote:
The left will always attack charities as they are a way of solving a problem without the intervention of the state.


Both sides attacked charities but for different reasons. The Left attack the fact that they exist and blame the Government, whereas the Right attack the fact that they exist and blame the undeserving poor. It is the centre of British politics (Libtards as MDMA loves to describe them...) that realise the reality of the situation and that they are a necessary 'evil' in a post industrial society where many members of the working population can no longer earn enough to survive.
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 16 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Diggs"]
mpd72 wrote:
Are you telling me that nobody is poor in this country, and that everybody who uses a foodbank does so because they choose to spend money on cars instead? Even you must realise that this isn't the case.


Agree.
Some of them spend it on booze.
Some of them spend it on drugs.
Some of them are mentally not all there.
So not all of them have iphones in their pockets and Audi's parked outside, but there are people like that too.

Based on.... a family member volunteers for a Christian "Open Arms" centre doing cooked meals on a Sunday and food bank.
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 16 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

HardlyDavidson wrote:
So we're asking the poorest people who might not have the best grip on how to budget weekly


No, we're asking people to think for themselves and use common sense. It should be a basic survival instinct for all creatures, but is now sadly lacking from a generation or two who let the government think for them and have a safety net if they don't bother to live responsibly or take control and responsibility over their own actions.

The biggest problem is that these thick feckers are the ones who are doing all the breeding with state handouts, lowering the gene pool and making matters worse.
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 16 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
It is the centre of British politics (Libtards as MDMA loves to describe them...)


There we go again, you see yourself and your own views as central and correct and everyone else to either side of you is wrong.

If you see the Lib Dems and Greens as the centre of politics, you really do live in an imaginary reality.
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 16 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
Diggs wrote:
It is the centre of British politics (Libtards as MDMA loves to describe them...)


There we go again, you see yourself and your own views as central and correct and everyone else to either side of you is wrong.

If you see the Lib Dems and Greens as the centre of politics, you really do live in an imaginary reality.


Make your mind up - am I left wing or Centre?
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 16 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:

Make your mind up - am I left wing or Centre?


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PostPosted: 14:00 - 16 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're talking about capping handouts to working age people at £20,000 a year. A pensioner who's paid in all their life gets £165 a week.

That's £8,500 a year. Who needs food banks again?
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 16 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dunno, benefits...

I don't know how people get them these days. I get single person's reduction on council tax and that's it. I'm trying to live on little more than £400 a month, Armed Forces disability pension. Struggling to find work I can do due to injury and illness, but there's no one to even help. The Job Centre basically just gave me the brush-off. I want to work, and I think I could if I could find something flexible enough. Nothing much up here though.

If only the government were serious about helping people back into work. If only they were serious about trying to boost the jobs market here in the north for that matter.

Volunteering at a food bank - that's an idea as it goes. Doesn't solve my dire financial difficulties, but you never know what it might lead to. If it only gets me out of my isolation it'd be something I suppose.
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