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PostPosted: 20:49 - 04 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

bhinso wrote:
It's simple, punishment should fit the crime.

If you commit a crime serious enough to go to prison, you should not be given it as an opportunity to practice yoga.

Until we get tougher sentances, such as national service, community service, benifits cut (tough shit) people will continue to commit crimes because there's little reason not to.


What? I think you've missed the point of the Yoga comments.
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 04 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anti-ER protest: Burn some tyres

http://www.tyreandrubberrecycling.com/media/3470/burning-tyres.jpg?anchor=center&mode=crop&width=1140&height=550&rnd=131938508680000000
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 29 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

More hypocrisy. Just enjoying Springwatch when we get to a "world in crisis" bit and a friend tells me presenter Michaela Strachan lives in South Africa, and Chris Packham sells photography trips to Africa and Alaska.
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 29 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
More hypocrisy. Just enjoying Springwatch when we get to a "world in crisis" bit and a friend tells me presenter Michaela Strachan lives in South Africa, and Chris Packham sells photography trips to Africa and Alaska.


Sounds about right. Self righteous hypocrites blaming everyone but themselves for the much higher than average damage they cause to the planet.

Much like most of the students who go on “strike” or bunking off as it used to be called. This is a very clever ploy by the left to sell left wing ideology to the young and stupid.
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 31 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

HardlyDavidson wrote:
Climate change is coming... eventually! I think we have more important things to worry about. If they were protesting over babies dying in Yemen or whining about the Sultan of Brunei's bummer fixation I'd have a smidgen of sympathy.


It's happening now. So is another event by "Extinction Rebellion", apparently, who plan to close Heathrow in June (1 day) & July (10 days). That possibility will have attracted the attentioin of the police and others.
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 31 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's so that they'll still all be able to go on their holidays come August Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 31 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Using drones.

Could be good for a laugh. If the Gatwick screw up was anything to go by there will be a great wailing and gnashing of teeth from their mummys and daddies who are meant to be off on holiday. Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:02 - 31 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely if they're using drones then that's somewhat hypocritical. Drones don't run on fresh air, unless I'm mistaken.
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PostPosted: 16:14 - 31 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

bhinso wrote:
Surely if they're using drones then that's somewhat hypocritical. Drones don't run on fresh air, unless I'm mistaken.


Electric - no emissions so all is happy in happy clappy land.

Now a nice remote controlled helicopter with and internal combustion engine is the devils spawn.
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 31 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

But how is that electricity generated?

BTW let's not get back to St Caroline on her horse again Sad
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 31 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
bhinso wrote:
Surely if they're using drones then that's somewhat hypocritical. Drones don't run on fresh air, unless I'm mistaken.


Electric - no emissions so all is happy in happy clappy land.


Other than the emissions in generating the electric and making the device and it's highly polluting Li-Ion/Polymer batteries. Wink

What pisses me off with these militant lefties is that most of them, when you look on their Facebook pages, fly on holiday at least twice a year.
Hypocrite doesn't even come close.

We could do wonders to carbon emissions and the environment by removing these militant lefties from existence. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 31 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

bhinso wrote:
But how is that electricity generated?

BTW let's not get back to St Caroline on her horse again Sad


And what's wrong with women and horses? Lady Godiva for Prime Minister.

I'm easily bought Cool

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PostPosted: 16:43 - 31 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

NSFW!

By the way what happened to that nob head who stormed out of the interview, saying air travel should be banned. But turned out he'd been skiing etc.
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 31 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, threat or promise?

Heathrow activists face life in jail for drone protests, Government warns

https://home.bt.com/news/uk-news/heathrow-activists-face-life-in-jail-for-drone-protests-government-warns-11364366484279

I particularly like this statement......

Professor David Dunn, a drones expert at the University of Birmingham, said arresting suspects ahead of the protests could be the most effective way to stop disruption.
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 31 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

bhinso wrote:
NSFW!

By the way what happened to that nob head who stormed out of the interview, saying air travel should be banned. But turned out he'd been skiing etc.


It's art you heathen Folded arms
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 31 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bet that's what Travis Bickle thought too.

Sorry off topic Sad
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 31 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

bhinso wrote:
Bet that's what Travis Bickle thought too.

Sorry off topic Sad


Laughing His was a bumhole, I can't remember Rembrant or Monet painting bumholes.

I stand to be corrected if you can find one though. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 31 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Professor David Dunn, a drones expert at the University of Birmingham, said arresting suspects ahead of the protests could be the most effective way to stop disruption.


Why not, they arrest anyone on the far right for thought crime?
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 31 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Well, threat or promise?

Heathrow activists face life in jail for drone protests, Government warns


Hot air:

"Baroness Vere warned: “Flying drones near an airport is a serious criminal offence and using drones to deliberately put people’s safety at risk carries a maximum life sentence."

Q. "Did you deliberately put people's lives at risk by flying your drone near Heathrow?"

A. "No" - so it's a "serious criminal offence".

A. "Yes" - so the maximum sentence is life (out in ~10 years, or whatever).
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 03 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking about this thread because someone drove up to my neighbours' yesterday, waited quite a while, but left their engine running, whilst staring at their phone.
I'm not suggesting we put on sack cloth or anything, but why leave a gas guzzler chugging just because you can't be @rsed to turn it off.

InB4 Y U No confront them.
Cos I was frightened I might get stabby stabby'd Pale
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 20 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see an FOI request has proved than an AntiFa Unit in Tyne and Wear receive government grant money for it's "anti extremism" work.
You couldn't make this sh1t up. Who on Earth thought this lot were anything more than a militant bunch of fascist bullies who go around physically attacking right wing figureheads, using your tax money?

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PostPosted: 17:41 - 20 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everything in full rather than a screenshot of something on Facebook:

Freedom of Information request to Home Office about Funding to the Tyne & Wear anti-fascist Association wrote:
Dear Home Office,

Please provide me with records of all money which has been awarded or given in any form to the Tyne & Wear Anti Fascist Association (TWAFA). This organisation may also be found under pseudonym Tyne & Wear Anti Fascist Coalition (TWAFC).

Please provide these records in the following form:

A) A total, all-time figure of how much money has been provided to the organisation; and
B) An annual breakdown of this all-time figure, detailing:
- the nature of the money provided, i.e. grant, loan .etc, and for which purposes the money was provided by the Home Office; and
- the annual sum of money provided in relation to the nature above; and
- the department or individual responsible inside the Home Office for signing off this money; and
- the point of contact in the Tyne & Wear Anti Fascist Association for both communicating and receiving this money;

Second, please also provide me the following information:

A) Any communication received by the Home Office or affiliates from this organisation;
B) Any communication sent to this organisation by the Home Office or affiliates;
C) Any training delivered by or to this organisation to/by the Home Office, Police, Any officers or any affiliates, etc;

Yours faithfully,

Christopher Marshall


Response from the Home Office in full wrote:
Dear Mr Marshall,

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST 52641

Thank you for your email of 02 March 2019 in which you ask for information relating to the
amount of money awarded, or given, to the Tyne & Wear Anti-Fascist Association
(TWAFA) by the Home Office. A copy of this email is at Annex A. Your request has been
handled as a request for information under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (FOIA).

I can confirm that the Home Office holds the information that you requested.

I can confirm that TWAFA was awarded a value of £5,858.00 following their successful
application to the Building a Stronger Britain Together (BSBT) grant funding round. This
application was made in February 2017 and awarded by the BSBT team, which sits within
the Counter Extremism Unit in the Home Office. To date TWAFA have received £3,643.50
of this fund. In addition, TWAFA were awarded in-kind communications support through
the BSBT programme in July 2017.

You have asked for a breakdown of these awarded funds and for what purposes the fund
was for. I can confirm that we hold this information through our delivery partner UK
Community Foundations who manage the monitoring of grant funding on our behalf. This
monitoring will include agreeing the breakdown of the awarded funding directly with the
group. However, after careful consideration we have decided that this information is
exempt from disclosure under section 43(2) (prejudice to commercial interests) of the
FOIA. This provides that information can be withheld where disclosure would or would be
likely to, prejudice the commercial interests of any person (an individual, a company, the
public authority itself or any other legal entity) and the public interest falls in favour of
maintaining the exemption.

In relation to TWAFA’s in-kind communications support, I can confirm the Home Office
holds the information you requested. However, after careful consideration we have
decided that this information is exempt from disclosure under section 43(2) (prejudice to
commercial interests) of the FOIA. This provides that information can be withheld where
disclosure would or would be likely to, prejudice the commercial interests of any person
(an individual, a company, the public authority itself or any other legal entity) and the public
interest falls in favour of maintaining the exemption.

Arguments for and against disclosure in terms of the public interest, with the reasons for
our conclusion, are set out in the enclosed Annex B.

You have asked for contact information for the Home Office’s contact in TWAFA. The
Home Office has obligations under the Data Protection Act 1998 (DPA) and in law
generally to protect personal data. We have concluded that the information you have
requested is exempt from disclosure under section 40(2) of the FOIA, because of the
condition at section 40(3)(a). This exempts personal data if disclosure would contravene
any of the data protection principles in Schedule 1 to the DPA. Section 40(2) is an
absolute exemption, which does not require a public interest test

You have asked for communication between the Home Office and TWAFA. I can confirm
that we have communicated with TWAFA regarding their success in securing BSBT
funding. TWAFA also remain on the BSBT network mailing list, which includes all
organisations that have received support from the BSBT programme, and as such receive
monthly newsletters and event invitations. The Home Office has also had face to face and
other verbal communications with TWAFA during visits and events. Our delivery partner
UK Community Foundations have also provided written correspondence to TWAFA
directly in relation to their grant, but we consider these to be outside of the scope of your
request.

You have asked for any training delivered by the Home Office to TWAFA. I can confirm
that we cannot find any information of training delivered directly by the Home Office.
TWAFA did, however, receive training from BSBT’s delivery partner M&C Saatchi. This
included crisis communication, social media, PR and maximising online audience training
sessions.

If you are dissatisfied with this response you may request an independent internal review
of our handling of your request by submitting a complaint within two months to
xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx.xx, quoting reference 52641. If you ask for an internal review,
it would be helpful if you could say why you are dissatisfied with the response.

As part of any internal review the Department's handling of your information request would
be reassessed by staff who were not involved in providing you with this response. If you
were to remain dissatisfied after an internal review, you would have a right of complaint to
the Information Commissioner as established by section 50 of the FOIA.

Yours sincerely

P BROWN
COUNTER EXTREMISM UNIT
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 20 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

tl;dr

We gave money to extremists...

signed,

head of counter extremism

Oh the irony Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 21 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, if there was something you felt strongly about how far would you go to publicise it? Or maybe you just don't feel that strongly that you would do anything?
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PostPosted: 08:56 - 21 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh dear, who's a naughty boy then...

Mark Field under fire after removing climate change activist from Hammond speech.

Not that I particularly blame him but you can't grab a woman by the neck and expect to get away with it as a politician.

https://home.bt.com/news/uk-news/mark-field-under-fire-after-removing-climate-change-activist-from-hammond-speech-11364371096070
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