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PostPosted: 15:56 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Leadership Contest - why so many rounds? Reply with quote
Why have so many rounds knocking a couple out at a time? Why not just the one vote - highest score gets the job? Why have so many votes dragging the pitiful performance out over such a period, why not just one vote then the new leader / PM can try and get on with the job they are paid for? It’s not like the play offs for the Premiership where they can drag a few extra high value money making games out of the public?

Probably a simplistic view, I appreciate that.
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It's a bit like saying in Big Brother, Love Island, etc. Why do they eliminate one at a time, rather than just saying "You won".

It's set down in the party rules. I think it's very unusual to have so many candidates, and they didn't expect that.

Not sure why they do it, maybe the idea is that it gives supporters of eliminated candidates to back one of the others (or work some dodgy deal).
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PostPosted: 16:02 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well supposing you have 200 MPs voting for their favourite out of 10 candidates. The winner might have won only 15 votes, which means that the new leader would not have had the support of 185 of the 200 voters. Not great.

More interestingly - what's the point of the successive leadership debates on telly? When it gets to the final pair, and the entire tory party (all several thousand of them) get to vote, then maybe there's a point to it, but why when the voting audience consists only of their fellow MPs? Why don't they have just closed debates in a Westminster committee room?
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Well supposing you have 200 MPs voting for their favourite out of 10 candidates. The winner might have won only 15 votes, which means that the new leader would not have had the support of 185 of the 200 voters. Not great.

More interestingly - what's the point of the successive leadership debates on telly? When it gets to the final pair, and the entire tory party (all several thousand of them) get to vote, then maybe there's a point to it, but why when the voting audience consists only of their fellow MPs? Why don't they have just closed debates in a Westminster committee room?


I thought that. Why waste TV time when it is impossible for the general public to actually have any input to who wins.
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Re: Leadership Contest - why so many rounds? Reply with quote
1198 wrote:
Why have so many rounds knocking a couple out at a time? Why not just the one vote - highest score gets the job?


Certainty. If there wasjust one round, there could be a near draw between two or more candidates. If all but two are eliminated, there will only be a possible near draw between the two, and it's likely that the majority will be more clearly defined.

I wonder what will happen to turnout this time/next time/...
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Freddyfruitbat wrote:
what's the point of the successive leadership debates on telly?


Nothing in the way of "debate", that's for sure. It's a willy-waving exercise by the candidates as well as the presenter & channel they're broadcast on.

More "Coronation Street" or similar soap than anything else, and a waste of time since the public don't vote for the party leader.
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Delay. Neither the candidates nor Conservative MPs are keen to get back to the real task at hand.

Speaking of which, whilst not one of them had a new idea, Rory Stewart seemed like a new broom until he said his solution was to push May's dead duck through Parliament yet again. Didn't he know the leadership contest was happening precisely because that deal had finished off the previous incumbent?
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
If they had the debates behind closed doors then people would be coming up with all sorts of conspiracy theories faster than you can say "Illuminati".

It also means from seeing reactions in the press, they can gauge levels of public support for what each candidate is putting forward.
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Delay. Neither the candidates nor Conservative MPs are keen to get back to the real task at hand.


What, so they haven't had the same rules for the leader's selection in place for at least two decades?

I think you will find they have.
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Speaking of which, whilst not one of them had a new idea, Rory Stewart seemed like a new broom until he said his solution was to push May's dead duck through Parliament yet again. Didn't he know the leadership contest was happening precisely because that deal had finished off the previous incumbent?

That's what they will all try and do, although they will dress it up diferently. That boris, for instance, wants to get the backstop dealt with and then he'll put it back to parliament. As he'll probably be the new PM, and as operatives in the eu machinery are being changed, it's quite possible that his plan will work assuming that the possibility of "no deal" is not excluded.

Edit: Or the possibility of "no Brexit" does not arrive.
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
26 pages of detailed boring shit about the current rules on Conservative Party leadership elections:

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01366/SN01366.pdf
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:
26 pages of detailed boring shit about the current rules on Conservative Party leadership elections:


Wow! You read them? That's real dedication!

"The current rules for electing the leader of the Conservative Party were introduced in 1998"

Two decades and a year, then! Not quite as long as I'd thought.
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
mpd72 wrote:
Round 3....

Gove 51
Hunt 54
Javid 38
Johnson 143
Stewart 27

Glad Remain favourite Stewart is gone. Maybe he can have a “People’s vote”?

Isn’t it time the others conceded? Nobody has got within half of Johnson yet in 3 votes.


Interestingly enough, it's now at the point where you have to add all of the other votes together to beat Boris.

It's game over.
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Re: Leadership Contest - why so many rounds? Reply with quote
1198 wrote:
Why have so many rounds knocking a couple out at a time? Why not just the one vote - highest score gets the job? Why have so many votes dragging the pitiful performance out over such a period, why not just one vote then the new leader / PM can try and get on with the job they are paid for? It’s not like the play offs for the Premiership where they can drag a few extra high value money making games out of the public?

Probably a simplistic view, I appreciate that.


I have a friend that is a party member and I asked him.
He said, it's mostly seen as a way for the party to get behind a single leader at the end stage, thus boosting his/her moral and the voters can all say they got behind the leader, so as to be a brown nose.
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Riejufixing wrote:
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Delay. Neither the candidates nor Conservative MPs are keen to get back to the real task at hand.


What, so they haven't had the same rules for the leader's selection in place for at least two decades?

I think you will find they have.

Yeah... but I was making the (cynical) point that they're all sick of the Brexit stalemate and have no ideas on how to move forward (unless you like Rory Stewart's interesting but ultimately unattractive Citizen's Assembly). They'll kick the can until October and then hope the EU will say something to help them out. A simple, "Go then," would do it. Wink

Javid's sycophantic call for an inquiry into Islamophobia (Baroness Warsi's idea to deliver that community, uniquely, the right not to be criticised) was cringeworthy but this morning's news about the hypocritical Imam was deliciously ironic.
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Riejufixing wrote:
Wow! You read them? That's real dedication!

Yarp, I read them.

I was hoping that there might be a tl;dr summary in there somewhere and I needed to read them to see that the document does explain how the current system came to be.
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
I was making the (cynical) point that they're all sick of the Brexit stalemate and have no ideas on how to move forward (unless you like Rory Stewart's interesting but ultimately unattractive Citizen's Assembly). They'll kick the can until October and then hope the EU will say something to help them out. A simple, "Go then," would do it. Wink

If we get to the end of October and no-one's managed to prevent it, we will be out with no deal by definition. That's why it will pressure all parties involved to do something; I very much hope that no-deal stays "on the table" but before it happens we get at least some sort of arrangement to continue smooth trade.
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pjay wrote:
mpd72 wrote:
Round 3....

Gove 51
Hunt 54
Javid 38
Johnson 143
Stewart 27

Glad Remain favourite Stewart is gone. Maybe he can have a “People’s vote”?

Isn’t it time the others conceded? Nobody has got within half of Johnson yet in 3 votes.


Interestingly enough, it's now at the point where you have to add all of the other votes together to beat Boris.

It's game over.


Not quite, I would say the game is now afoot, for Boris' team.

Now they have to decide how many tactically vote to get shot of Gove, then which they would prefer to be against in the final two, Hunt or Javid.
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
It's not game over because it's not MPs who have the final say. The party membership might decide they don't want Boris.
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