Daytime Running Lights

[Easy-X]

So, head light on permanently, dipped beam, good thing? Yes? Good! Moving on...

I must have missed a meeting 'cos I've never seen it on the road but my Rebel has the front indicators permanently lit as well!

"Oh yeah," says Chris at my works "my CBR had that but I disconnected it when I swapped my blinkers over." So this is a fairly recent thing

I read through the MSVA Manual again as I have no life and couldn't see anything about indicators as DRLs. And while there is mention of indicators doing double-duty on the Wikipedia entry for DRLs there only seems a specific mention of it being verboten in the EU
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[wr6133]

[Easy-X]

I'll assume that there's nothing illegal in indicators as DRLs but are they "frowned upon" ? As in thickie plod (incorrectly) pulling me over for incorrect lights?
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[P.]

[stinkwheel]

[Riejufixing]

[redeem ouzzer]

[Sister Sledge]

Leave them lit up. You're getting more for your money..
(actually no - reminds me of US vehicles?)
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[blurredman]

Reminds me of my American Car (1979 Buick LeSabre). And, indeed- pretty much all of the boring box shaped yank cars of the period.

Beneath the main headlamps are two bulbs (each side). One is the indicator, which has a double filament and is Orange. The other is single filament and is clear.

Indicator bulb also acts as sidelight when lights are turned on using the 5w filament as well as the clear one. As far as I read up, a british vehicle sidelamp must be white in colour- so as long as you have white (ie the 5w in the main lamp as a parking lamp/pilot light/side lamp whatever you want to call it) you can have your steady orange light glowing.


As for DRL's- I think they're stupid and another step to supporting neglegence of proper driving. "I didn't see you, you didn't have your Light on". It's mid-day, if you cannot see me in the day light you shouldn't be driving.
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[Polarbear]

My American import 1800 GoldWing had twin filament indicators. The low wattage one was on all the time and the bright one operated when the indicators were switched on.

Normal practice in the land of the free so I gather.
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[MCN]

Paddy needs more lights on his vehicles due to sense of humour by-pass surgery.

Blue light will get you a tug and possibly a producer.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989/1796/regulation/11/made
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[MCN]

[weasley]

My understanding of it:

- perma-indicators is a US thing. I'm not aware of a reason they can't be used here.
- blue light: a blue "beacon" is forbidden except for specific emergency services. A beacon is defined as a flashing light. A solid blue light, to the front, is not specifically a problem.
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[MCN]

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989/1796/regulation/11/made

Forgot to linky.
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[trevor saxe-coburg-gotha]

[Easy-X]

Hmm, I think the bulbs must either be double filament or run at a lower power as they're not as bright as when I hit the indicator switch.

So general opinion is to disable the feature and just have the main headlamp DLR?
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[Teflon-Mike]

The whole DTRTL quetion has to my knowlede never been absolutelty answered.

UK C&U reg, lightring ammends, red from the rear white from the front... amber 'marker' lampos 'may' be used, and there is/was comment abourt high sided vehicles and flat bed HGV trailers having them SO, techniocallty not illegal to use indies as DTRL's but not particularkty legal either.... ..... bluie lamps and green are definite no-no's onlyt police/emergency/medical vehicles can show anything 'but' red/white/amber.

Back to DTRL question, in 30 years lots of studies have been quoted and commissioned, a lot of anomolouse 'car' studi4es peculiarly Volvo's hard wired headlamp justificatioin repeated BUT, there has NEVER been aparticularly good answer even for cars other than "Well it cant hurt, can it?" for bikes thats been refuted, and actually while a DTRL may make a bike more notriceable, it will tend to also make it harder for any-one to judge Speed & Distance, and it HAS been shown that the risk that giving an observer cause to eff-up speed/distance can be more severe than NOT getting thier attension ro start with....

Theres then the issues of white-out, glare and lamp seperation.... few studies have looked at the optimim lay-out and brightness of DTRL's.. and a notr quite equalateral triangle of 'dimmer' lamps wouyld seem to be the best agreed optimum, but no concensus.. a pair or GSXR endurance lamps though are particularly bad, the close coup0liung in studies being shown easily confused with a car further away and traveling slower, so more likely to get a car to SMIDSY you, plus two big vright lamps liukely to dazzle watchers, if notr, at least dazzle and white-out the ourline.profile spo observer cant actually tell what l;amps attatched to and again more likely to thibk itrs a far away and slower mnobing car, not a close and fast mobving motorbike....

'Best' DTRL set up according to most studies would seem to be the updise down triangle of headlamp and indies, with 'low' wattage bulbns in them making lamps glow bit not dazzle..... vut as said, been studied and argued to death for thirty or mpore years and still no definative answersm, pays your money and take your chances...

To my mind WATCH where you are bludy going, and assume other idiots wont see and/or will do the wrong thing whatever lamps you show!!! (And dont give them reason to say SMIDSY, making bike look like fair ground ride!)
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[ThunderGuts]

New Honda's since about 2016 seem to have this feature. I quite like it . . .
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[stinkwheel]

[WD Forte]

Ex-lax seems to be doing everything but actually getting on and riding the feckin thing !
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[Nobby the Bastard]

[weasley]

Plus:

“Warning beacon”
A lamp that is capable of emitting a flashing or rotating beam of light throughout 360° in the horizontal plane.

A solid blue light is not a beacon.
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[stinkwheel]

The government seem to think it's illegal to use blue retroreflective.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2009/3221/pdfs/uksiem_20093221_en.pdf

EDIT:

Hah! Enjoy.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A42011X1206%2803%29
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[Courier265]

[Easy-X]

So this is what they look like:

https://i.imgur.com/ucfd0jF.jpg?1
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