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PostPosted: 08:44 - 11 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't like the way this is going. People who voted remain have feelings too Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 11 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suntan Sid wrote:
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Isn't there some anti democracy, militant lefty, remoaner snowflake site you can bore instead, with your "everyone who voted leave is a Nazi" bollocks? Thumbs Up


Isn't there some anti democracy, militant far right, brexit, snowflake site you can bore instead, with your "everyone who voted remain is a ignorant twat", bollocks?

Who, exactly, appointed you the, fuckin', forum police, noob?


You should try posting something on topic and relevant for once, instead of constantly whining about people who don't share your champagne socialist values.

You never post anything of any relevance to debates on here. All you do it bitch about anyone you deem as not left wing. This is no different to what this latest "everyone who voted remain, Nazi, Gammon, fascist, far right, blah, blah, blah," sock puppet is doing Bore off.
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 11 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
I don't like the way this is going. People who voted remain have feelings too Crying or Very sad


Feelings of not accepting losing a democratic vote? We'd never have noticed.

What we have here is a minority forcing their views on the majority, even though a democratic vote has already been decided. That's fascism and it's rife in Remain lefties.

https://oncewrittensite.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/ut-protest.jpg
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PostPosted: 10:42 - 11 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ignoring the irrelevance that is sovereignty of the British Isles, how exactly is a European superstate going to arse fuck the typical British gammon?


The rules would be, in the majority, being made by foreigners.

You been to Europe? Did you feel totally comfortable with how things are done and that you understood the workings of their social, cultural and administrative norms? Did you feel that the actions of daily life were carried out in the same way to your own?

I know I don't. They feel like foreign countries and only by living in one for a protracted period would I gain an understanding of how their society works. I have to learn about them, I probably cause offence multiple times. They do not do things in the same way we do (or each other do) and having rules made to suit one culture means they probably do not suit my culture. You could argue the rules made by the EU suit all members equally badly? However I'd answer that by saying I have the option of having rules made by a government that suits my country as perfectly as can be achieved.

Examples include which side of the road we drive on, what language we speak, the measurement system we use, conventions on how we drive (what does a headlight flash mean?).

French people think we're rude because we don't say good morning to the shopkeeper when we go in. We think German people are rude because they walk straight to the front of a queue and demand service. French people cannot and will not stand religion being involved in government, Germans all have to pay a church tax and close the roads to HGVs on a Sunday.

Centrally made rules for a divergent population will be a compromise. Too much of one for my liking.
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 11 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
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I don't like the way this is going. People who voted remain have feelings too Crying or Very sad


Feelings of not accepting losing a democratic vote? We'd never have noticed.

What we have here is a minority forcing their views on the majority, even though a democratic vote has already been decided. That's fascism and it's rife in Remain lefties.

https://oncewrittensite.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/ut-protest.jpg


Can you try for once to not post something offensive to people who don't share your views?
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 11 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
What we have here is a minority forcing their views on the majority, even though a democratic vote has already been decided. That's fascism and it's rife in Remain lefties.

https://oncewrittensite.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/ut-protest.jpg

What you have there are anti-Trump protesters marching along Lavaca Street in Austin, Texas, on Wednesday the 9th of November 2016.
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 11 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

In more relevant news, the Court of Session has ruled that the proroguing of parliament is unlawful.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49661855

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PostPosted: 11:12 - 11 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:
In more relevant news, the Court of Session has ruled that the proroguing of parliament is unlawful.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49661855

"Illegal" due to attempt to prevent parliamentary examination of the executive.

Proroguation is not suspended. The Supreme Court will hear the appeal on Tuesday 17th.

Judgment in the "Miller 2" case will be published at noon today, which will be interesting.
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 11 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:


You could argue the rules made by the EU suit all members equally badly? However I'd answer that by saying I have the option of having rules made by a government that suits my country as perfectly as can be achieved.

Examples include which side of the road we drive on, what language we speak, the measurement system we use, conventions on how we drive (what does a headlight flash mean?).



Ok, well, let's look at this ..

Measurement, we should have gone 100% metric years ago, it makes sence, it's logical, what's not to like about it.

Language - last I'd seen, there was no european mandate stating french can no longer spoken, or english, or welsh, or spanish ....., in fact, areas such as say, air traffic control, english is the only language that should be legally used, that's not an eu directive either.

Side of the road, again, the UK hasn't been told to change, and neither has Malta, Cyprus or Eire?

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Centrally made rules for a divergent population will be a compromise. Too much of one for my liking.


I wonder how the scots, welsh and northern irish feel about Westminster? Or even the cornish, seeing as they seem to want independence as well at times

Alot of what you say, can be equally applied to the different countries of the UK without having to go anywhere you need to show a passport. How well do you understand Welsh, or even, a strong scottish, geordie accent etc. Or how about the quirky even within different regions within the UK as a whole.

Personally, anything that makes trade and movement as seamless and as easy as possible is best, it would be good 1 day to have a global currency, no faffing about with currency exchanges etc, obviously, that will never happen. As for being part of a european superstate, meh, unlikely to effect most of us on a daily basis.
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 11 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:

What you have there are anti-Trump protesters marching along Lavaca Street in Austin, Texas, on Wednesday the 9th of November 2016.


You can't expect Terry to properly research his material
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 11 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

His name is not Terry.
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 11 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
His name is not Terry.


Perhaps not, but he seems to fit a certain Viz character quite well
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 11 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
I don't like the way this is going. People who voted remain have feelings too Crying or Very sad


Then you're backing the wrong horse.
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 11 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:

"useful idiots."


AKA the middle class.
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PostPosted: 12:07 - 11 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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God bless the British Empire...


What kind of a meaningless comment is that? Is that supposed to make me lose all my patriotism and opt for a foreign culture in my own homeland? Laughing
Not only a foreign culture, but one that has no roots anywhere, and is failing, and, mark my words, will fail? Actually getting Brexit will only make it fail more quickly, but it's doomed anyway. And those that back it will be left wondering what went wrong Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 11 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In more relevant news, the Court of Session has ruled that the proroguing of parliament is unlawful.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49661855

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BoJo Corp will just push pull it through the UK court and drag it out as ling as they can.
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 11 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:

Can you try for once to not post something offensive to people who don't share your views?


How was that factual statement in any way offensive? That's exactly what's happening from lefty student to remain MP's, who are just inventing laws with the help of the EU legal teams, to get their own way against, not only the government, who are meant to be in charge, but also the democratic will of the people.

I know the truth often doesn't fit the agenda of a modern liberal, but that doesn't make it suddenly untrue.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 11 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
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I don't like the way this is going. People who voted remain have feelings too Crying or Very sad


Then you're backing the wrong horse.


Its not a race I want to be gambling on full stop. Trouble is the longer all this goes on, the more devisive it becomes and I predict civil unrest when Parliament reconvenes.

If you believe all the stereotypes, it could end up with one side throwing hummus and the other tins of Carling. I don't believe the stereotypes personally, but some seem to...
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 11 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
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Ignoring the irrelevance that is sovereignty of the British Isles, how exactly is a European superstate going to arse fuck the typical British gammon?


The rules would be, in the majority, being made by foreigners.

You been to Europe? Did you feel totally comfortable with how things are done and that you understood the workings of their social, cultural and administrative norms? Did you feel that the actions of daily life were carried out in the same way to your own?

I know I don't. They feel like foreign countries and only by living in one for a protracted period would I gain an understanding of how their society works. I have to learn about them, I probably cause offence multiple times. They do not do things in the same way we do (or each other do) and having rules made to suit one culture means they probably do not suit my culture. You could argue the rules made by the EU suit all members equally badly? However I'd answer that by saying I have the option of having rules made by a government that suits my country as perfectly as can be achieved.

Examples include which side of the road we drive on, what language we speak, the measurement system we use, conventions on how we drive (what does a headlight flash mean?).

French people think we're rude because we don't say good morning to the shopkeeper when we go in. We think German people are rude because they walk straight to the front of a queue and demand service. French people cannot and will not stand religion being involved in government, Germans all have to pay a church tax and close the roads to HGVs on a Sunday.

Centrally made rules for a divergent population will be a compromise. Too much of one for my liking.


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Islander wrote:
In more relevant news, the Court of Session has ruled that the proroguing of parliament is unlawful.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49661855

Laughing


This is exactly why our system is broken. We are supposed to live in a democracy, where we get to choose who runs the country using a democratic voting system.

What's happening now, is that politically motivated individuals with power, such as Bercrow, two thirds of MP's (many of whom have switched party or no longer represent the poeple who voted them in) and these remain judges, are abusing their position to twist and create laws which removes power from the government and hands it to the fascist minority, who can then over rule the government and the will of the people.

The fact that the EU are assisting this group by providing legal teams is nothing short of treason.

This is the exact description of a "coup", yet the minority, using thier usual tactics, throw this badge at the majority, just as they do when they pretend their actions aren't those of a fascist dictatorship overthrowing democracy.

Our democratic political system has ceased to function and nobody seems to care.
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 11 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Its not a race I want to be gambling on full stop.


But you are though and you're backing a losing bet. Your position, like most of the remain camp is that remaining in the EU will continue as it is now, with no major effect to life in the UK. You also see Brexit as this uncertain doom and gloom scenario as painted by the recent propaganda.

The problem is the EU is heading to a dark and sinister place, where they wish to control taxation of all member states and will enforce this with their own military force, which will be needed when the current decline in economies continues and they rely more one extracting as much money as possible from the 6 cash cows who fund the 22 begging bowl countries.

Wake up FFS! Nobody likes change, but if you think the EU is not about to change for the worst, you really should get out more.
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 11 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Its not a race I want to be gambling on full stop.


But we both are. You have taken one side of the argument, and I the other. Neither of us know exactly what will happen, in detail.

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Trouble is the longer all this goes on, the more devisive it becomes and I predict civil unrest when Parliament reconvenes.


The divisiveness is already cemented in stone. It cannot be repaired, because the two poles aren't reconcilable. It's like having two pieces from two different jigsaw puzzles. My prediction is that the nationalist 'populist' movement will continue to grow, because the globalist movement that currently holds the power hasn't got, isn't even attempting to find answers to their grievances, precisely because they currently hold the power. For now.

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If you believe all the stereotypes, it could end up with one side throwing hummus and the other tins of Carling. I don't believe the stereotypes personally, but some seem to...


I think using the stereotype argument is just playing with words. Another distraction. And by saying "some seem to...", haven't you just used one? Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 11 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:


Ignoring the irrelevance that is sovereignty of the British Isles, how exactly is a European superstate going to arse fuck the typical British gammon?


The rules would be, in the majority, being made by foreigners.

You been to Europe? Did you feel totally comfortable with how things are done and that you understood the workings of their social, cultural and administrative norms? Did you feel that the actions of daily life were carried out in the same way to your own?

I know I don't. They feel like foreign countries and only by living in one for a protracted period would I gain an understanding of how their society works. I have to learn about them, I probably cause offence multiple times. They do not do things in the same way we do (or each other do) and having rules made to suit one culture means they probably do not suit my culture. You could argue the rules made by the EU suit all members equally badly? However I'd answer that by saying I have the option of having rules made by a government that suits my country as perfectly as can be achieved.

Examples include which side of the road we drive on, what language we speak, the measurement system we use, conventions on how we drive (what does a headlight flash mean?).

French people think we're rude because we don't say good morning to the shopkeeper when we go in. We think German people are rude because they walk straight to the front of a queue and demand service. French people cannot and will not stand religion being involved in government, Germans all have to pay a church tax and close the roads to HGVs on a Sunday.

Centrally made rules for a divergent population will be a compromise. Too much of one for my liking.


I suppose it's exactly like the problems the Welsh have, what with their different language.

My less flippant response is thats exactly why we should engage and find a compromise that suits all the people involved. The US and the USSR/Russian confederation seems to be able to manage it.
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My less flippant response


Seriously mate, you really should take your meds Razz
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 11 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think using the stereotype argument is just playing with words. Another distraction. And by saying "some seem to...", haven't you just used one? Laughing


For comedic effect, duly qualified... Saying that, if I get down to London and MDMA throws his lager tin at me I may well return fire with a carefully aimed hummus and grated carrot sarnie Laughing

What I can't understand is where this 'nationalism' is going. I fully appreciate the desire to pull back from globalism and this is inevitable given that we will be returning to local food sources, industries etc in the future. Does this mean that brexiteers are really closet Green Party voters but they just don't realise it yet? Perhaps I should be making a banner declaring them all to be tree-hugging soap-dodgers?
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