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luiceur
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 24 Sep 2019    Post subject: Weak acceleration 20 year old CB600F Hornet Reply with quote

I recently bought a 1998 Honda CB600F Hornet with 14,600 miles. I have been ridding 125cc and 250cc bikes in the past and I thought a 600cc one would be much more powerful.
The last Honda service was in September and they did not suggest or recommended anything but I was wondering if there was something I could suggest them to check next time. What can be improved in a 20 year old bike?

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PostPosted: 20:36 - 24 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two questions.

1) Do you have the throttle wide open.

2) Are you revving it to the redline?

These 600 motors can seem kind of flat if you ride them sensibly. More revs = more power. When I get on the wifes CBR600, I go for ovvertakes lke I would on my VFR and think "Hell, that's sluggish" Whereas what I should have done is changed down two gears and got a howl-on. The power is there but it's all up top.

I'd suggest you find a straight and pin the throttle wide open in second until you hit the redline then start changing gear. If you don't start cackling like a lunatic inside your helmet then yes, there is something wrong with it.
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 24 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I'd suggest you find a straight and pin the throttle wide open in second until you hit the redline then start changing gear. If you don't start cackling like a lunatic inside your helmet then yes, there is something wrong with it.


Will do. Also, I might need to get a 1000cc instead...
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 24 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

luiceur wrote:
Will do. Also, I might need to get a 1000cc instead...


Whoa! Maybe just a different 600/650 bike?

What do you actually want out of a new bike? Acceleration, good cornering, top speed, comfortable cruising on the motorway?
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PostPosted: 00:13 - 25 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're happy you are riding it to the max I'd do a compression test or get the garage to do one, it wont be covered in a service.

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PostPosted: 06:17 - 25 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drop a gear, and make sure you're winding it on over 7K. That motor does pretty much naff all interesting until then, but it's actually not horribly bad after that. Make sure you don't have anything in front of you, you may be in for a shock.
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 25 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any friend who’s used to a 600 who could give a second opinion?
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 25 Sep 2019    Post subject: Re: Weak acceleration 20 year old CB600F Hornet Reply with quote

What 125cc and 250cc bikes?
0-60 in around 3.5seconds if ridden well. At most speeds it should be a good bit faster ridden properly than 99.9% of 125cc and 250cc bikes.

Making sure you don't flip, pull away sharply in first gear and hold the throttle wide open, change up when you get to the red line.

If it's still not faster than the bikes you're used, then possible there's a problem or maybe the bike is restricted?
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 25 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really does sound like you need to open the throttle more, or it's broken.

Could it be restricted? does it rev freely to the redline?
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 25 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even a restricted Hornet should feel like a rocket after a 125.

Start the engine then wipe a damp rag on each of the exhaust pipes, see if any aren't getting hot. If they all are, check the air filter. YM friend had a hornet that got very lethargic and it was the air filter that was blocked. It wouldn't even rev all the way up with no load on it.
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 25 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first 'bigger' bike is a 20 year Bandit 600, had similar thoughts initially.

It is essentially two bikes though, chugging around in the lower half of the rev counter as opposed to hooning around in the upper half.

It will 'pull' in 6th gear from 30mph up a hill (extreme but I was experimenting). This and much less extreme chugging around is great in certain circumstance but not exactly overwhelming and whilst I can overtake quite comfortably in clear situations from 5000 revs etc. it is not exactly urgent.

I aim to start overtakes from about 7 - 8000 revs now and the difference is day and night. and there is still space to put on significantly more speed without changing up.

When I got the bike someone recommended I found a nice bit of straight clear road, pin it in 2nd from almost a standstill, get up to around 8000 rpm and hold it there for a bit and then pin it again to the red line.... that was 'instructional', redline in 2nd is well north of 70mph.

If it still feels like a 250cc then, well there is something wrong with it.

My Bandit is about 80bhp ... yours is a tad more I think.. At some point I am looking forward to finding what 140bhp and above feels like (carefully).
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 25 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Even a restricted Hornet should feel like a rocket after a 125.

If it was 33hp and we were talking a decent 125cc ridden well- not a lot in it I'd say. (Ie a 125cc 2 stroke with 25hp say, vs 600 33hp, but with gearing designed for a lot more and an extra 50kg).
Bikes like the R6 seemed to do particularly badly when restricted to 33hp - geared for maybe a theoretical 170mph or so in top gear with first around 70mph doesn't work so well with 33hp.
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 25 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Pete. wrote:
Even a restricted Hornet should feel like a rocket after a 125.

If it was 33hp and we were talking a decent 125cc ridden well- not a lot in it I'd say. (Ie a 125cc 2 stroke with 25hp say, vs 600 33hp, but with gearing designed for a lot more and an extra 50kg).
Bikes like the R6 seemed to do particularly badly when restricted to 33hp - geared for maybe a theoretical 170mph or so in top gear with first around 70mph doesn't work so well with 33hp.


My 400 still felt quicker at 33bhp than my NS125R... not night and day though. When it was derestricted it was like warp speed!
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 25 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Pete. wrote:
Even a restricted Hornet should feel like a rocket after a 125.

If it was 33hp and we were talking a decent 125cc ridden well- not a lot in it I'd say. (Ie a 125cc 2 stroke with 25hp say, vs 600 33hp, but with gearing designed for a lot more and an extra 50kg).
Bikes like the R6 seemed to do particularly badly when restricted to 33hp - geared for maybe a theoretical 170mph or so in top gear with first around 70mph doesn't work so well with 33hp.


The 125 will only make peak power at one point in the rev range under full throttle. The restricted hornet retains much of it's low down torque across the load range even with the restriction. It's no contest on the road.
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 25 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thus "ridden well" Smile.
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 27 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The general consensus of opinion seems to be ‘man up and pin it’. OP has not returned in a few days. Hope he’s (she’s) not splattered under the x78 bus!
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PostPosted: 10:41 - 27 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

1198 wrote:
The general consensus of opinion seems to be ‘man up and pin it’. OP has not returned in a few days. Hope he’s (she’s) not splattered under the x78 bus!


In fairness, we did all recommend pointing it in a straight line first. Scaring the shit out of yourself when you first get a "big boys" motorcycle going full-chat is a rite of passage.

Maybe still riding with a grin on his/her face?

I know the wifes CBR6 is still perfectly capable of scaring the shit out of me if I pin it to the redline and I've been riding sportsbikes for decades now. Hornet isn't that much less powerful.
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 27 Sep 2019    Post subject: Re: Weak acceleration 20 year old CB600F Hornet Reply with quote

G wrote:

Making sure you don't flip, pull away sharply in first gear and hold the throttle wide open, change up when you get to the red line.

Or maybe they're in a bike/car film and are currently on gear 56, still accelerating!
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