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PostPosted: 15:56 - 03 Oct 2019    Post subject: Pipe benders? Reply with quote

I'm going to be wanting to make several parts for my latest enfield project such as mudguard stays, rear subframe, rear carrier, possibly some footpeg hangers/brake lever etc.

Since I can't TIG and don't have a TIG welder, best thing to make them from would be steel tube. Just need to be able to bend it relatively neatly.

Anyone reckon I'll get away with one of those handheld plumbers pipe benders? Probably be looking at 15mm mild steel tube with a 1 or 1.5mm wall.

I'm currently swithering between buying one of those or hiring a proper one for a weekend.
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 03 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

For how often you'd use it I'd hire one.
£30 ish.
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 03 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or get one of the spring type jobbies, if you're careful they're pretty good and give you bit more room for creativity.
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 03 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't tried it, but I don't think it's the sort of tool you want. I have some 2mm-thick 20mm diameter steel tubing laying around, and there is no chance a plumbers pipe bending tool could do anything to it. Absolutely no chance at all. Bending it would require tremendous force. I don't know about 1mm tubing, but from playing around with mild steel sheets, when flat, the stuff can be bent easily by hand, and then, when it has a bend in it, it's really strong. A section of 1mm pipe has that bend strength in all directions. I believe motorcycle tanks are usually about 1.5mm thick (16-gauge), with the strength provided by the bends and folds in them.
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 03 Oct 2019    Post subject: Re: Pipe benders? Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
steel tube. Just need to be able to bend it relatively neatly.

Anyone reckon I'll get away with one of those handheld plumbers pipe benders? Probably be looking at 15mm mild steel tube with a 1 or 1.5mm wall.


Copper bends because it stretches very easily. I don't think ambient temperature steel tube will stretch anything like
as well as that. With heat perhaps.. Never tried bending steel pipe in my pipe bender but I reckon you'll split it unless we
are only talking a few degrees. They also take some getting used to as they are quite cumbersome tools.
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 03 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fill with dry sand, tape off ends, bend. I used the garden fence with decent results, I imaging a bender, however crap, would do a decent enough job with sand in the pipe.
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 03 Oct 2019    Post subject: Re: Pipe benders? Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Anyone reckon I'll get away with one of those handheld plumbers pipe benders? Probably be looking at 15mm mild steel tube with a 1 or 1.5mm wall.

An "ordinary" bender will bend thin wall 15mm "stainless", but it's a bit more work than copper. Mild steel is a lot softer, so my guess is you'd be OK ("stainless" is rather thin walled, but hard). Will it be OK for what you want though? ISTR that the bend's radius is 4 x diameter, which may be more than you want. Forget about bending springs, they're almost never useful IME, and only good for long radius swept bends of the "artistic" sort made under basins, etc.
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PostPosted: 00:49 - 04 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure the jigs for a copper pipe bender would be up to the job of bending steel tube, one of those gizmo's for bending rebar might do the trick though.
Sand fill sounds like a natty trick to reduce flattening on the curve.
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PostPosted: 05:14 - 04 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mentalboy wrote:
I'm not sure the jigs for a copper pipe bender would be up to the job of bending steel tube, one of those gizmo's for bending rebar might do the trick though.
Sand fill sounds like a natty trick to reduce flattening on the curve.
That's what I thought, My inserts are made of aluminium.
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PostPosted: 06:45 - 04 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just don't do it the way Delboy did it!
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 04 Oct 2019    Post subject: Re: Pipe benders? Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I'm going to be wanting to make several parts for my latest enfield project such as mudguard stays, rear subframe, rear carrier, possibly some footpeg hangers/brake lever etc.

Since I can't TIG and don't have a TIG welder, best thing to make them from would be steel tube. Just need to be able to bend it relatively neatly.

Anyone reckon I'll get away with one of those handheld plumbers pipe benders? Probably be looking at 15mm mild steel tube with a 1 or 1.5mm wall.

I'm currently swithering between buying one of those or hiring a proper one for a weekend.


In a word, no. You need a proper hydraulic pie bender. Just hire one, it will make your life so much easier.

Or they start from about £80 on the ebay.
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 04 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the broad church of opinion seems to be falling firmly on hiring one. They do conduit benders at most hire shops.

I'm looking to fabricate stuff like this (not necessarily chrome):

https://www.feked.com/images/detailed/50/IMG_4754.jpg
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 04 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stainless is a bitch to work with as the chemistry inside it make it work harden by just looking at it the wrong way. It has also been formed into a tube so will have very minimal elastic or ductile properties.
As Polar sez, a hyd. bender is best. Still hand held but the fluid is your lever and more mechanical advantage to bend stiff pipe.
Stainless never has tight bends like copper of mild steel can as it can tear or fail when work beyond its limit.


And a spring bender is only good for copper as steel pipe will compress too much to get the spring out easily.

Hydraulic is the way.
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 04 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pipe bendin tools?
jeez, what bunch of shirt liftin jessies you all are
Roll up yer sleeves and do it like real men!

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.4U51axXO4vZYeX9mG8wgBwHaFc%26pid%3DApi&f=1
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 04 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
Pipe bendin tools?
jeez, what bunch of shirt liftin jessies you all are
Roll up yer sleeves and do it like real men!

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.4U51axXO4vZYeX9mG8wgBwHaFc%26pid%3DApi&f=1


Well that may be why they call you Kinky.

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PostPosted: 17:00 - 04 Oct 2019    Post subject: Re: Pipe benders? Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:

In a word, no. You need a proper hydraulic pie bender.


Mmmmm. Pie.
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 04 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I can't stand the pain. 1) Go to Screwfix. 2) Buy a bender suitable for 15mm stainless tube (min. ~£40). 3) Take it home. 4) Experiment on some scrap. 5) Keep it if it's suitable, or take it back for a refund if it isn't suitable.
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 04 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.amazon.com/Pedestal-Compact-Bender-Bending-Fabrication/dp/B00HZ5THRU


As they sell this as a bender, A conduit bender is more than up to the job, but isnt fixed down, so invite a few "larger" mates round to stand on the front foot, as you bend(pull towards you) the front lifts, it can be a pain with 25mm at times.https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61As-lwtOmL._AC_SL1500_.jpg
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 04 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
Stainless is a bitch to work with....


Which might be why Stink said mild steel in the opening post?
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 04 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sister Sledge wrote:
Just don't do it the way Delboy did it!


I had to go and search for the video after you said that. And I did. Laughing

I don't know how he managed to weld stainless steel to mild steel and make it safe as a structural part. Rolling Eyes As for it being "level", after lots of video cuts and edits, well, I'd have to take to take his word on that. Rolling Eyes The two sides look crooked to me, and the bent tubes look totally shitty, like they've been chewed on by a mutant alien rodent. I wouldn't bend pipe/tubing like that. I have my own technique, and I'm not a metalworking guy - far from it.

However, I'm glad he made the video, because there are a lot of people who use such crude techniques (I don't think he invented the spanner-and-torch technique himself), and it serves as a sort of record for how things have been done for many decades in certain communities (custom chopper types, rat/survival, etc.) The most important message I take from it is, those people don't actually ride those showpiece bikes except for once or twice a year, so it doesn't actually matter if they're safe. The customisation scene as a whole tends to depend on dumb luck quite a bit.

Keeps him out of trouble, I suppose. At least he has something tangible in his hands for his efforts, and isn't twiddling his thumbs playing with a CAD program and coming up with a thousand explanations for why something can't be done. As for the sponsors and supporters, well there's one born every minute, isn't there. In between all the Youtube drama, I manage to learn a thing or two occasionally. Don't like the pair of them.
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 04 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

these are only £82 quid
OK probly from u no where but
I'd guess It's OK for hobby use and less then a weekends hire cost
and you can take your time playing with it without extra hire charges

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hydraulic-Pipe-Bender-Tube-Bending-Manual-Heavy-Duty-Exhaust-Pipe-Tubing-Machine/273949098663?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D40733%26meid%3D9e3f98431a894b8cb41549fbb6ed400e%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dco%26sd%3D223691639239%26itm%3D273949098663%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
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PostPosted: 18:34 - 05 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mentalboy wrote:
MCN wrote:
Stainless is a bitch to work with....


Which might be why Stink said mild steel in the opening post?


And I never suggested stinky winky said SS either. Shocked
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 05 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to bend stainless steel pipe all the time on LNG ships as that was what all the cargo piping was made out of. 316 grade as well, rather than the bog standard 304.

It's perfectly workable with a decent pipe bender as long as you get the bend radius correct.
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 07 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was interesting to note that Yoshimura used to bend their exhausts manually, using heat and patience.

Hydrogen torch?

https://youtu.be/v8mMQbEkr8w
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 07 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
It was interesting to note that Yoshimura used to bend their exhausts manually, using heat and patience.

Hydrogen torch?

https://youtu.be/v8mMQbEkr8w


Looks like the guy is a highly skilled operator, using colour and the sensation of pressure and resistance to make that technique work.
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