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When I moved to my big bike the so called biking season was halfway through, and I only managed to get in one "proper" ride.
I've been looking for people to go out with more but can't find any, there's a few Meetup groups, but no rides planned, just a monthly meetup during the week, once I was on holidays, the second my job got in the way and I didn't make it.
I know a lot of people put their bikes away, and even more people might think this a stupid idea, but:
I've been commuting daily in all conditions within reason for almost a year, so why not have an enjoyable ride out too? So what if it's raining a bit? No you can't do 100 down a green lane, not the end of the world, speed isn't the sole enjoyment in a ride. Pretty sure that coffee/hot chocolate/tea/meal is going to taste much better once we arrive!
I've seen the trips section of the forum is a bit dead, I thought about creating a thread there too.
So, what are your opinions? Do you ever? I'm looking for some west Londoners to go for a wet ride.
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| Posted: 13:33 - 15 Oct 2019 Post subject: Re: Autumn/Winter rides |
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| Riejufixing wrote: | | TheWhiteBaron wrote: | When I moved to my big bike the so called biking season was halfway through, and I only managed to get in one "proper" ride. |
What is "the biking season"? |
Quite. There isn't really a "biking season", it's just that it's a little warmer during certain parts of the year, so less kit needed.
For me, biking is undoubtedly more enjoyable when it is warm and dry, and there isn't a profusion of filthy salt all over the roads which makes cleaning the bike thoroughly immediately after a ride imperative if you want to maintain it in a nice condition*. BUT...when I had the funds to get out on the bike whenever I chose, I used to have some great rides on those cold, sunny days that you occasionally get in winter. It was just a case of wrapping up a bit better, and I settled on some kit that worked very well at this.
Rain? I don't choose to go out for rides for pure enjoyment when it's going to be hammering down, can't see much point. The odd shower wouldn't necessarily put me off though.
Commuting? Different question entirely.
Riding with others? Yeah, I would when the opportunity arose, but I rode alone much more often. I wouldn't wait until someone else said they would tag along.
*Of course, there's always ACF50!
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You make good points, it would have to be the ppl who fit in both groups, and have free time.
I agree it can be hard to coordinate with just one person, much less with a few, and then something else always comes up. From what you say, I figure that the solution is to get up and go on rides myself? Find some routes or just explore.
Actually...I have done this once, still on my 125, so I've done 2 rides after all. Half of it the road wasn't exactly enjoyable, just normal, and I got lost going home  Still, I did get some really nice views and chanced upon Polesden Lacey. It seems many bikers do it this way, maybe I just need to 'grow up' as a rider.
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| Posted: 14:06 - 15 Oct 2019 Post subject: Re: Autumn/Winter rides |
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| grr666 wrote: | April to October. AKA "Summer". HTH. |
Which is a waste if you ask me, it's rarely that cold here in the UK, northern Scotland may be different, but it's been over 18 months now since I've even bothered using handlebar muffs, and, i haven't bothered putting the thermal lining in my jacket either. If we're unlucky, we get at most 4weeks cold weather, where the dreaded gritters are out, other than that, it can get a bit wet and a bit windy at times.
You're down south aren't you, why not ride solo, and, if you like, find 'bike' nights at various places, and go to them, the more regular a face you are, the more people will talk to you. Having said that, if you must ride in a group, I'm sure on facebook there's likely to be groups that go on ride outs.
What makes a ride a proper ride?
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| TheWhiteBaron wrote: | You make good points, it would have to be the ppl who fit in both groups, and have free time.
I agree it can be hard to coordinate with just one person, much less with a few, and then something else always comes up. From what you say, I figure that the solution is to get up and go on rides myself? Find some routes or just explore.
Actually...I have done this once, still on my 125, so I've done 2 rides after all. Half of it the road wasn't exactly enjoyable, just normal, and I got lost going home Still, I did get some really nice views and chanced upon Polesden Lacey. It seems many bikers do it this way, maybe I just need to 'grow up' as a rider. |
I tend to just go out exploring; I'll have a rough idea of where I want to go, but not necessarily the roads that'll link them. I'll ride along and think "wonder what's down this road" and go down there. Or carry on further than I have done on a given road. If I see a nice looking cafe I'll stop for a brew. Over time I acquire a mental list of roads I like, then I just link bits together when and where I feel like it. Getting lost is part of the fun; it's virtually impossible to get truly lost in the UK on powered transport as you can travel far enough quickly enough to encounter civilisation rapdilyand reset your bearings, even in the north of Scotland.
That's my attitude to it anyway and it works for me. The idea of riding the same fixed route repeatedly or trying too hard to research a specific route and feeling like I'm glued to it doesn't really appeal.
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| Posted: 15:19 - 15 Oct 2019 Post subject: Re: Autumn/Winter rides |
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| linuxyeti wrote: | | grr666 wrote: | April to October. AKA "Summer". HTH. |
You're down south aren't you, why not ride solo, and, if you like, find 'bike' nights at various places, and go to them, the more regular a face you are, the more people will talk to you. Having said that, if you must ride in a group, I'm sure on facebook there's likely to be groups that go on ride outs.
What makes a ride a proper ride? |
I'll have to start stopping at the Ace Cafe on my way home from now on 
To me a proper ride is one that lasts at least a couple hours, was done purely for leisure purposes which leaves you with more experience and good memories.
My commute or going to my friends house and then wandering around Uxbridge/Windsor with him as he doesn't want to commit to longer distances isn't a proper ride.
It's got to have at least one of:
Some good roads for some twisty fun (probably not in the rain)
Some good scenery (any weather )
Someone to ride with to forge some new memories and learn from shared experiences or from watching them crash
I have tried a few times to explore, but end up coming up with 20s and 30s roads through villages all the time or boring dual carriageway. I need to explore more.
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| Posted: 15:23 - 15 Oct 2019 Post subject: Re: Autumn/Winter rides |
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Some good scenery (any weather ) |
You can't see mountains in a fog!
Oh, wait, you're down south...you can't see mountains in bright sunshine either 
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| Posted: 19:24 - 15 Oct 2019 Post subject: Re: Autumn/Winter rides |
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| linuxyeti wrote: | | grr666 wrote: |
A waste of what? |
Having a bike, better off getting a big doorstop, or Harley, as they are mostly ornamental anyhow !! |
My bike is a toy not a tool. I play with it when I can be bothered and the weather is nice. If either of those criteria isn't
met it stays in the shed. Mine also went into hibernation in August this year because I'm too busy doing other things
for which my van is a far better vehicle choice. Riding bikes is okay but not what my life pivots around. I used mine 4 or 5 times
and did about 200 entirely pointless miles going nowhere in particular this year, about 100 of those on the one trip out.
Don't think it got any further from home than about 40 miles this year. Usually it's less than 10. It's sat, taxed, insured
but not MOT'd in my shed at the moment, I'll leave it til next year now, balls to riding it anywhere in this weather.
MOT was due 8th october when it hit 3 years old. Current total mileage. 2800
So now we've established that I am a complete impostor, what makes a real biker then? I always thought it was someone
with a bike who rode it from time to time. What am I missing exactly and is there a secret handshake?
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| Posted: 21:05 - 15 Oct 2019 Post subject: Re: Autumn/Winter rides |
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Lets not get caught up with definitions and elitism here
Personalty I couldn't justify keeping a bike for a few kms a year, but I do have a Suzuki Samurai in Portugal which I drive around when I go on holidays on mountain roads for some fun  which is no different. Doesn't make me either a poser or a hardcore 4x4er.
Just leave it at: you are a biker when you're on your bike, otherwise you're probably a walker/runner/driver/pilot.
I have thought of making it a road trip, take it there instead of the plane, however I do this trip with my GF, and we've established a CB is not that comfortable for two up esp as she has some back issues. I'll defo do it if we break up though!
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In my experience, there are two main categories of riders: die-hard commuters who will ride in anything but have relatively little interest in leisure riding, or leisure riders who by definition aren't forced into riding |
I fit into the first. As a commutor in all weather for many years, I don't really go out for pleasure. As most people, I hate the commute- so why would I want to ride more?
Going greenlaning/offroading puts me in a different mindset though. Sometimes I do go offroading in the rain- The different conditions of the mud/water make it fun- Plus, the reason I hate commuting is because of the other commutors. Getting off the road and onto the grass/mud is nice.
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| Blurredman wrote: | | ThunderGuts wrote: |
In my experience, there are two main categories of riders: die-hard commuters who will ride in anything but have relatively little interest in leisure riding, or leisure riders who by definition aren't forced into riding |
I fit into the first. As a commutor in all weather for many years, I don't really go out for pleasure. As most people, I hate the commute- so why would I want to ride more?
Going greenlaning/offroading puts me in a different mindset though. Sometimes I do go offroading in the rain- The different conditions of the mud/water make it fun- Plus, the reason I hate commuting is because of the other commutors. Getting off the road and onto the grass/mud is nice. |
I have given this a thought. And as I always enjoyed 4x4, it thought it might be fun to get a surveyor or whatever it was map and go green laning, great opportunity to try a different world of biking and earn a lot of experience.
Do you have a separate bike for this or what's your current bike?
I don't really think mine would be appropriate for this in general, from position to the engine and gearing, my Bonneville 125 copy was fun when I happened upon some dirt tracks by mistake (my friend on a cbr125 was not amused as he almost fell over a twice ), but that's nothing "seriouz"
I'd consider getting an additional £1k bike for this, I still haven't finished enjoying my high revving CB400 to trade it in for a dualsport/adv/scramber type.
(I don't see any TCs for 400 round these parts )
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| Blurredman wrote: | As a commutor in all weather for many years, I don't really go out for pleasure. As most people, I hate the commute- so why would I want to ride more? |
That's a bit like saying I commute by car so why would I want to drive more? In the case of both bike and car it seems a bit restricted - but one quick answer is "roads". Assuming your commute is 95% urban crawl, comparing that kind of journey to one on undulating, curvey B-roads is night and day different. The best you can say about the former is it's usually not as bad as going by car. The best you can say about the latter is it's about as good as life gets.
| TheWhiteBaron wrote: | as I always enjoyed 4x4, it thought it might be fun to get a surveyor or whatever it was map and go green laning, great opportunity to try a different world of biking and earn a lot of experience. |
It's a right laugh. But a big part of the reason I do it is because I live in one of the least populace areas of England - so it'd almost be rude not to. The map series you need is the OS 1:25k Explorer range - but bear in mind the detail is so fine a single sheet only covers a small area. However there is now a digital version on line so have a look at the website Streetmap. It's a fucking excellent resource and has both the Landranger 1:50k and the 1:25k (in exactly the same rendering as the OS maps). Incredible that it's free imo.
But this is all a bit of a red herring. What you really need to do is join your local TRF because the "definitive" map of rights of way is not so much a paper-based nor digital map and more an archive of local knowledge housed in the brains of those who use, ride (by horse and bike) and contest these unmade roads. In short...
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In reply to the question of whether a grand is enough for a viable green laning bike the answer is hmmm...maybe. I mean, I bought a fantastic machine for iirc £1250 - a tractable yet also potentially gutsy and dare I say it borderline wild CRM250. Would've run forever the way I rode it - some cunt nicked it though, and I bought something a bit more recent; a KLX250 - flat as fuck in comparison, but eminently usable, and certainly as much bike as I can manage once the mud and ruts get interesting.
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| TheWhiteBaron wrote: | as I always enjoyed 4x4, it thought it might be fun to get a surveyor or whatever it was map and go green laning, great opportunity to try a different world of biking and earn a lot of experience. |
It's a right laugh. But a big part of the reason I do it is because I live in one of the least populace areas of England - so it'd almost be rude not to. The map series you need is the OS 1:25k Explorer range - but bear in mind the detail is so fine a single sheet only covers a small area. However there is now a digital version on line so have a look at the website Streetmap. It's a fucking excellent resource and has both the Landranger 1:50k and the 1:25k (in exactly the same rendering as the OS maps). Incredible that it's free imo.
But this is all a bit of a red herring. What you really need to do is join your local TRF because the "definitive" map of rights of way is not so much a paper-based nor digital map and more an archive of local knowledge housed in the brains of those who use, ride (by horse and bike) and contest these unmade roads. In short...
https://i.imgflip.com/3dgjeu.jpg[url=https://imgflip.com/memegenerator]
In reply to the question of whether a grand is enough for a viable green laning bike the answer is hmmm...maybe. I mean, I bought a fantastic machine for iirc £1250 - a tractable yet also potentially gutsy and dare I say it borderline wild CRM250. Would've run forever the way I rode it - some cunt nicked it though, and I bought something a bit more recent; a KLX250 - flat as fuck in comparison, but eminently usable, and certainly as much bike as I can manage once the mud and ruts get interesting. |
Thanks for the tips! I'll see about that online one, mapwise, do you stuck it in a tankbag/jacket map pocket? I guess we only need the map to find the route and then occasionally once there?
That TRF thing sounds neat, not much different than my nation trust membership which already paid back.
Bike wise, yes...I had a quick search of what dual sports there are/looked them up on ebay, I've reached a few conclusions
- 1k seems more like a pipe dream, more like 2-3... one of the reasons I came to that number is that I paid 1100 the CB400, which I found great value for the condition and fun it provides
- Still, I'm a patient bargain hunter, and wouldn't mind an older machine that needs some work, I enjoy it as long as it's not over my skill level
- Man, I knew this already, but I find most of them fugly! And never mind the alien looking adventure bikes! I can live with this though, being pretty wasn't part of the plan, probably would fit a round headlight though
Gonna set up some ebay alerts now In the meantime, I've been meaning to fit the stock, lower geared sprockets back, could try taking the cb through a very light path for a "taster".[/list]
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| TheWhiteBaron wrote: | I've found a few early 2000s BMW F650 Funduros for ~1k and fancy them, however as more "adv" with 190kg wet and 6.7" fork travel not sure if that would be worthwhile for learning green laning rather than a light dualsport?
I've also found a proper 250 one for around 1k, can't remember the model now, gonna see if I can pay the owner a visit. |
I can't pick up the back of my Rebel with one hand and move it about but the DT175 (arguably the sort of bike that made green laning feasible for the masses) isn't that much worse than some of the ebikes I've built.
If you tipped either bike into a ditch which one could you wrestle out unaided?
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Posted: 12:18 - 17 Oct 2019  Post subject: Re: Autumn/Winter rides |
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To me a proper ride is one that lasts at least a couple hours, was done purely for leisure purposes which leaves you with more experience and good memories.
My commute or going to my friends house and then wandering around Uxbridge/Windsor with him as he doesn't want to commit to longer distances isn't a proper ride.
It's got to have at least one of:
Some good roads for some twisty fun (probably not in the rain)
Some good scenery (any weather )
Someone to ride with to forge some new memories and learn from shared experiences or from watching them crash
I have tried a few times to explore, but end up coming up with 20s and 30s roads through villages all the time or boring dual carriageway. I need to explore more. |
I've got a nice ride suggestion for you.
From Uxbridge, go to Pinewood Studios, then up at the end of the road, head towards Gerrards Cross. Turn off just before you get there, and go to Beaconsfield. From Beaconsfield, go to Penn. From Penn, follow signs to Great Missenden. There were several good roads along this road you've just taken, and now you're riding in the Chilterns. Lots of great roads everywhere you go. Do a big circle back via Wycombe.
This route will keep you entertained for a long time. |
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