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Posted: 10:14 - 21 Oct 2019 Post subject: Throretical question : roundabouts |
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Morning all,
This one came to me the other day when I had to slam on to avoid an idiot.
Imagine a mini roundabout where one of the exits is a one way only (leaving the roundabout)
And this exit is on my right as Im approaching said roundabout.
If I were to continue - assuming no one was coming the wrong way down the one way street and therefore failed to give way to the right and ended up in a collision...
Whose fault is it in the eyes of the law?
1) 50/50
2) His fault for ignoring the no entry signs
3) My fault for not giving way to the right
Thoughts?
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Posted: 10:57 - 21 Oct 2019 Post subject: Re: Throretical question : roundabouts |
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Hawkeye1250FA wrote: | Morning all,
This one came to me the other day when I had to slam on to avoid an idiot.
Imagine a mini roundabout where one of the exits is a one way only (leaving the roundabout)
And this exit is on my right as Im approaching said roundabout.
If I were to continue - assuming no one was coming the wrong way down the one way street and therefore failed to give way to the right and ended up in a collision...
Whose fault is it in the eyes of the law?
1) 50/50
2) His fault for ignoring the no entry signs
3) My fault for not giving way to the right
Thoughts?
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Probably 1 or 3, and not 2. |
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Posted: 11:19 - 21 Oct 2019 Post subject: |
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Its theoretical gents. Lets keep it light.
Im fully aware good obs are needed - and the reason this is a theoretical "lets discuss" - rather than another entry in the crash thread is precisely because I did see him coming through a no entry and waited.
Purely after thoughts on whose legally in the wrong if someone didnt give good obs and actually got hit by him.
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Theoretically, paint and signs can be disobeyed by all, never trust a road sign vs a cunt in a car.
Car 'shouldn't' have gone. Car probably should get points/fine... I can't find a direct one, but TS70 seems right.
Depends really, one-way wrong way driver could just lie and say he came round the roundabout unless you had camera evidence it'll be closer to 50/50 or your fault. banter train commences.
I still think the UK are retarded with mini roundabouts and they should be scrapped and we operate a US style 'one way has direct priority and the first person to arrive at the give way gets to go first when route is clear.'
That is smart. Instead we paint circles on the floor. |
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Oh yeah - Completely agree that without dashcam its trousers down time
I wouldnt want to be having that conversation (as him) with his insurance company though.
"So you went through a clearly labelled no entry sign and hit another vehicle... And you think its someone else fault?"
On a more serious note, the reason for the post is because of what ive explained earlier, this exact situation appeared in front of me and obviously from riding a bike - I saw it and waited. I have no doubt at all that the majority of car drivers would have just sailed across and had a crash though.
Moral of the story is as Mpd puts it, always check and done rely on any kind of lights / signs.
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Hawkeye1250FA wrote: | Its theoretical gents. Lets keep it light.
Im fully aware good obs are needed - and the reason this is a theoretical "lets discuss" - rather than another entry in the crash thread is precisely because I did see him coming through a no entry and waited.
Purely after thoughts on whose legally in the wrong if someone didnt give good obs and actually got hit by him.
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The thing is though, you should still look. To hit it, you clearly wouldn't have looked to your right, which is where you should be giving way to.
To hit you, they would have been on the roundabout before you, so at the moment of impact would have right of way, no matter how they entered it. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Well - yes, obviously.
I could also assume the front door was open and walk straight into it without checking.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 4 years, 231 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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