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PostPosted: 16:08 - 15 Jan 2020    Post subject: Where to install the Oxford lock holder? Reply with quote

I have the below lock. It came with a lock holder as shown in the picture. I am unsure where I can install this holder on my Kawasaki ER-6N? It didn't come with any fittings... Is it even meant to go on the bike?

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PostPosted: 16:34 - 15 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect it bolts on with a bolt through the little hole, head accessed by a socket/box spanner through the big hole, and the lock goes around the whole thing, with the hasp following the line of those turned-down lugs. Big hole on bracket facing outwards.

Have you got an existing bolt (rear footrest or similar?) on the bike that you could use? Stash it on the bike (under seat?) instead of using bracket?
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 15 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why bother with disc / steering locks, anybodies will just lift the bike into a van and off.
Use a chain / padlock to an immovable object.
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 15 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
I suspect it bolts on with a bolt through the little hole, head accessed by a socket/box spanner through the big hole, and the lock goes around the whole thing, with the hasp following the line of those turned-down lugs. Big hole on bracket facing outwards.

Have you got an existing bolt (rear footrest or similar?) on the bike that you could use? Stash it on the bike (under seat?) instead of using bracket?

I will take a look around the bike tomorrow. I was thinking may be using cable ties around some bar if I can't figure out.

under the seat, space is quite limited. I have another alarm disc lock to carry. So it will be ideal if I can use the bracket. Currently I am carrying the locks in the bag.
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 15 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaffa90 wrote:
Why bother with disc / steering locks, anybodies will just lift the bike into a van and off.
Use a chain / padlock to an immovable object.

I am currently using 2 disk locks at my work location. At home I Use a 12mm chain and padlock and an alarm lock inside a locked garage.

At work, initially I carried a chain and padlock, but there is nothing to secure the bike to. So didn't make sense to carry the chain. It is quite a busy street and there is dedicated motorcycle parking for around 10 bikes. So probably not easy for someone to just lift and take the bike with 1 disk alarm and one 120db bike alarm going off.
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 15 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfxLJFQeZG4


https://www.barriersdirect.co.uk/secure-bike-parking-c1017/motorcycle-stands-c1199/security-rail-for-delineation-or-motorcycle-parking-p22035
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 15 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaffa90 wrote:
Why bother with disc / steering locks, anybodies will just lift the bike into a van and off.
Use a chain / padlock to an immovable object.

Anything's better than nothing I would have thought. Not all bike thieves have vans, etc.

The OP mentions "dedicated parking", though. A bit like a supermarket for thieves... however there ain't a lot that can be done in that respect!


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PostPosted: 21:59 - 15 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

sapstar wrote:
At work, initially I carried a chain and padlock, but there is nothing to secure the bike to. So didn't make sense to carry the chain. It is quite a busy street and there is dedicated motorcycle parking for around 10 bikes. So probably not easy for someone to just lift and take the bike with 1 disk alarm and one 120db bike alarm going off.

Nothing? Nothing at all to lock it to? There should be, with dedicated motorbike parking! No lamp-posts or anything? Haven't you got an oppo who comes in & goes at the same time? You could chain your bikes together! How sweet! Wub
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 15 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a mini-D lock or big padlock, as far as I can see.
I suspect that the smaller hole in the back of that carrier bracket, is probably about 6.5mm, sized as a clerance fit on 'any' convenient M6 screw, and imedietly springing to mind is on a push-bike, and bolting the horse hoe brake caliper through that hole.
On a motorbike? rear foot-peg bolt sounds like a good idea, only the peg and hanger are often lugged to stop the peg rotating with just one fastener; might take a bit of filing to make a flat-space for the lock carrier to sit straight, and then the peg could float turn... ha, stick some thread lock in there, and tighten the bejexus out of it... be Foyne, I rekun! Otherwise apply a bit of imagination and injin-you-ity and find a bolt 'some-here'...
B~U~T.. as its essentially a big-ish pad-=lock, what springs to MY mind, is a tool cable... nowt to do with storage... but in decent hardware stored, DIY shops and probably halfords, you can often get simple security cables. a 6 or 8mm braiItyItIded cable, with an eye at each end in a plastic sleeve, intended to thread through things like push-bikes or ladders in the garage or back of a shed.
Cables are not the hardest thing to get through... B~U~T they are better then nothing, tend to be a bit more convenient than a heavy chain, and you can thread the two eyes through the shackle of a lock like that, and teather the bike down to something a bit more immovable, like a lamp-post or metal barrier fence like they oft have outside he supermarket or concreted into the pavement, in the street.
Its an extra layer of security to prevent the casual wheel away or lift into the back of a van.... and a heck of a lot more convenient than a heavy chain, that's nearly always too short!
They are deceptively cut-proof too.. they don't have the ultimate break strain or shear strain of a chain, B-U-T.... is they have tools to get through a 6 or 8mm cable, then they'd probably be tooled up to get through a chain anyway.
End of the day, they really wannit, they gonna have it, its just how hard you make it for them along the way, and how deturmined they will be to try... Most disc locks are a bit of a laugh to a half clued up scroat anyway, they are made of monkey metal that will crack like biscuit with just a little persuasion, what you show stands some chance to be a bit more sturdy... so wht not back it with a cable to give some of the chain it down protection of a chain, even if it's not the strongest....
How do you carry it though?
Well, that bracket may not be the best, but its something. Used to be deriggeur at one tome to clamp mini-D-locks around indicator stems.... if that's any suggestion for you... but, back to that injun-you-ity, and seeing what convenient bolts you have around the bike!
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 16 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

The correct place to store Oxford security products is on the floor where your bike used to be. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:25 - 16 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
The correct place to store Oxford security products is on the floor where your bike used to be. Thumbs Up


L.O.L. Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 16 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
The correct place to store Oxford security products is on the floor where your bike used to be. Thumbs Up


That's a bit unfair. If thieves have the gear to cut that lock they have the gear to do the same on any other.

Also in INDEPENDENT tests the Oxford chain didn't come out any worse than any other and portable angle grinders make short work of any including Almax etc.

It's the old story, if a thief wants it, whatever you do it will probably go.
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 16 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are numerous Oxford chains and most of them are craptacular. Razz

The Oxford Monster chain for example can be cut with bolt croppers in 14 seconds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBXvcFYZhig&feature=emb_title
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 16 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who carries bolt cutters when a battery angle grinder is cheaper, more effective and easier to hide under you shell suit (or whatever the little scrotes wear nowadays). Wink
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 16 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
There are numerous Oxford chains and most of them are craptacular. Razz

The Oxford Monster chain for example can be cut with bolt croppers in 14 seconds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBXvcFYZhig&feature=emb_title

It's not just "because it's an Oxford chain".

From Bennetts, similar chains:

Pragmasis Protector 13mm: Using 42” bolt croppers, we could only put light surface damage on the chain

Oxford Monster XL: We were unable to break the chain using 42” bolt croppers

Abus Platinum: The Platinum chain took a lot of effort to break with 42” bolt croppers

Oxford Hardcore XL: We were unable to cut the chain using 42” bolt-croppers

Pewag VKK 12x45: Using 42” bolt croppers, we managed to break the link in six minutes of hard work

All else being equal, the diameter/thickness of the chain seems what's important, as others have said.
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 17 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:

Nothing? Nothing at all to lock it to? There should be, with dedicated motorbike parking! No lamp-posts or anything? Haven't you got an oppo who comes in & goes at the same time? You could chain your bikes together! How sweet! Wub

The dedicated parking is a near by paid parking lot. I probably can lock the bike to something in there... But it is not monitored or secured. So better chances for someone stealing...

On the street opposite to my office, we have car parking but 1 to 1.5 car length is dedicated for "motorcycles only". I think this is far safer than the paid parking. I don't mind paying for parking if the parking log is more secure, as my work reimburses me for it Smile.
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 17 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:

It's not just "because it's an Oxford chain".

From Bennetts, similar chains:

Pragmasis Protector 13mm: Using 42” bolt croppers, we could only put light surface damage on the chain

Oxford Monster XL: We were unable to break the chain using 42” bolt croppers

Abus Platinum: The Platinum chain took a lot of effort to break with 42” bolt croppers

Oxford Hardcore XL: We were unable to cut the chain using 42” bolt-croppers

Pewag VKK 12x45: Using 42” bolt croppers, we managed to break the link in six minutes of hard work

All else being equal, the diameter/thickness of the chain seems what's important, as others have said.


This is what I have. Its a 12mm Oxford chain, but is square online the hardcore XL.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07ZXDW3D6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I also have this which I carry when going out (Not taking to work these days.)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Onguard-Beast-8017-Keyed-Chain-Black/dp/B00AW7PISU/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=onguard+beast&qid=1579263786&sr=8-2

Went for these because I found these were listed under the insurance companie's security devices list.... Didn't know about the 13/14mm ones at that time....
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PostPosted: 07:03 - 18 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

The link to the bloke with bolt cutters: Looks like he's struggling on the nest with a big strong woman. Heck at the end he drops to his knees too.
Erm yeah - battery grinders these days or if it's not secured to something the bike will simply be picked up and taken.
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