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PostPosted: 16:57 - 23 Jan 2020    Post subject: Diesel on the roads - fecking loads of it Reply with quote

Ive driven cars for 27 years and bikes briefly 27 years ago and passed das last year. Now diesel is a slip risk I seem to notice more than ever.
Im shocked how much is on the roads, i see patched of it every few meters on alot of roads. Yes avoid it but I cant help wonder how you can enjoy most rides when so much attention needs to be paid to the road surface, with so many other risk factors on roads for bikers we can do without diesel being everywhere.

I get to the point where I give in wanting to practice corners a bit quicker or just enjoy the ride as this crap seems to be on nearly every road.. how do you long term riders feel about it?
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 23 Jan 2020    Post subject: Re: Diesel on the roads - fecking loads of it Reply with quote

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Ive driven cars for 27 years and bikes briefly 27 years ago and passed das last year. Now diesel is a slip risk I seem to notice more than ever.
Im shocked how much is on the roads, i see patched of it every few meters on alot of roads. Yes avoid it but I cant help wonder how you can enjoy most rides when so much attention needs to be paid to the road surface, with so many other risk factors on roads for bikers we can do without diesel being everywhere.

I get to the point where I give in wanting to practice corners a bit quicker or just enjoy the ride as this crap seems to be on nearly every road.. how do you long term riders feel about it?


We wait until it's not raining, as the rain makes it worse. We also avoid places where HGVs go.

I've seen some bad diesel spills, but not very often so if you're seeing them regularly you probably ought to find different roads.
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 23 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

You get used to it, it gets easier to avoid, for the most part it's not a problem, but in these damp, rather than wet conditions, the slip risk is exacerbated
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 23 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best thing for riding on poor road surfaces is doing it in the dark. What you can't see, you don't worry about and it doesn't seem to cause a problem.

I've merrily honked up single track roads in the dark that when I came back down them in the daylight the next day were nightmare confections of loose gravel, potholes and mud with grass up the middle. Easily did double the speed when I was unaware of it.

I'm confident there is also just as much diesel on the roads during the hours of darkness. The only difference is you can't see it.

Which goes to show the main problem is rider perception.
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 23 Jan 2020    Post subject: Re: Diesel on the roads - fecking loads of it Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:


We wait until it's not raining, as the rain makes it worse. We also avoid places where HGVs go.

I've seen some bad diesel spills, but not very often so if you're seeing them regularly you probably ought to find different roads.


in general is splashes, but im not sure how much is needed to cause a slip, near rotherham last year though saw 90% of the road soaked in it and over a long stretch.
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PostPosted: 17:19 - 23 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Best thing for riding on poor road surfaces is doing it in the dark. What you can't see, you don't worry about and it doesn't seem to cause a problem.

I've merrily honked up single track roads in the dark that when I came back down them in the daylight the next day were nightmare confections of loose gravel, potholes and mud with grass up the middle. Easily did double the speed when I was unaware of it.

I'm confident there is also just as much diesel on the roads during the hours of darkness. The only difference is you can't see it.

Which goes to show the main problem is rider perception.


good point.. just got to hope non on corners when cant see it
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 23 Jan 2020    Post subject: Re: Diesel on the roads - fecking loads of it Reply with quote

Leearchertog wrote:
MarJay wrote:


We wait until it's not raining, as the rain makes it worse. We also avoid places where HGVs go.

I've seen some bad diesel spills, but not very often so if you're seeing them regularly you probably ought to find different roads.


in general is splashes, but im not sure how much is needed to cause a slip, near rotherham last year though saw 90% of the road soaked in it and over a long stretch.


You need it basically to be kerb to kerb with a rainbow on the surface. I've seen one bad enough to make my Subaru Impreza slide sideways. You could see the thickness of the diesel...
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 23 Jan 2020    Post subject: Re: Diesel on the roads - fecking loads of it Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:


You need it basically to be kerb to kerb with a rainbow on the surface. I've seen one bad enough to make my Subaru Impreza slide sideways. You could see the thickness of the diesel...


seen that just the once, was loads of it.. mostly all i see is round splashes every few meters. but often
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 23 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know that theres enough diesel on the road to make bikes slide because there will be a pile of cars in the hedge as a result.

I've never slid on diesel in 30 years of driving yet half the people on here seem to fall off their bikes in the rain because of it.....
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 23 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
You know that theres enough diesel on the road to make bikes slide because there will be a pile of cars in the hedge as a result.

I've never slid on diesel in 30 years of driving yet half the people on here seem to fall off their bikes in the rain because of it.....


Bikes will slide on what cars will not.. but your lucky/talented compared to the rest of us
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PostPosted: 19:34 - 23 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leearchertog wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
You know that theres enough diesel on the road to make bikes slide because there will be a pile of cars in the hedge as a result.

I've never slid on diesel in 30 years of driving yet half the people on here seem to fall off their bikes in the rain because of it.....


Bikes will slide on what cars will not.. but your lucky/talented compared to the rest of us


Basically most people have a moment on wet roads and blame diesel. If it were deisel they'll be sliding down the road on their arse. It would be like on ice.
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 23 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:


Basically most people have a moment on wet roads and blame diesel. If it were deisel they'll be sliding down the road on their arse. It would be like on ice.


But my point is all the patches I see everytime i go out, wet rainbow patches of diesel. is it only blankets of it to worry about etc. i know theres loads of other reasons for slips on wet roads but im just baffled by all the diesel. Smile
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 23 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leearchertog wrote:
But my point is all the patches I see everytime i go out, wet rainbow patches of diesel. is it only blankets of it to worry about etc. i know theres loads of other reasons for slips on wet roads but im just baffled by all the diesel. Smile

I think it's a rare occurrence. A few rainbows on the surface of puddles can be caused by a trace of oil, although you'd still be wise to avoid, just in case. Allegedly you can smell a significant spill a mile off. I don't think I've ever encountered one in 20 years.
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 23 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Leearchertog wrote:
But my point is all the patches I see everytime i go out, wet rainbow patches of diesel. is it only blankets of it to worry about etc. i know theres loads of other reasons for slips on wet roads but im just baffled by all the diesel. Smile

I think it's a rare occurrence. A few rainbows on the surface of puddles can be caused by a trace of oil, although you'd still be wise to avoid, just in case. Allegedly you can smell a significant spill a mile off. I don't think I've ever encountered one in 20 years.


These are splashes on flat even roads.. i probably pay to much attention.lol
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 23 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leearchertog wrote:
These are splashes on flat even roads.. i probably pay to much attention.lol

I see them too, they're just drips, easily avoided and not likely to have you off.
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 23 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

The splashes you’re seeing are likely small drips from moving vehicles. When it rains the diesel floats to the top of the water and the rain seperates (dilutes) it and carries it away to the drains. Most people who think they’ve slid because of diesel have slid on the standing water the diesel is sitting in.

Buying a bike and avoiding riding in the rain or avoiding riding on roads where HGV’s go seems nuts to me and most people I’m sure.

I agree with Nobby if you go through an actual spill and not some watered down drips you’ll know about it.

Treat the “splashes” like drainers and try not to brake on them but safe to pass through as it’ll kick off your tyre with the water. Don’t do what most folk do and hug the centre line to avoid it.
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 23 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

KRM wrote:
The splashes you’re seeing are likely small drips from moving vehicles. When it rains the diesel floats to the top of the water and the rain seperates (dilutes) it and carries it away to the drains. Most people who think they’ve slid because of diesel have slid on the standing water the diesel is sitting in.

Buying a bike and avoiding riding in the rain or avoiding riding on roads where HGV’s go seems nuts to me and most people I’m sure.

I agree with Nobby if you go through an actual spill and not some watered down drips you’ll know about it.

Treat the “splashes” like drainers and try not to brake on them but safe to pass through as it’ll kick off your tyre with the water. Don’t do what most folk do and hug the centre line to avoid it.


Thankyou.. good advice
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 23 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've fallen off on water (shit Avon's , locked the front wheel in the fast lane of the m5) ice (180 pivot, facing the opposite direction, dropped the bike cause I couldn't get a purchase when i stopped), cow shit (tank slapper, fell 12 feet onto the road) and aquaplaned (car, both me and my wife shat ourselves, kids in the back didn't notice).

I've also had the back wheel spin up many times (same shite avons, needed a crowbar to get the seat out of my arse where I puckered up)

I've never slid on 'diesel'
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PostPosted: 23:21 - 23 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once slid on hydraulic oil on the road where a mobile crane had shit itself. I'd carefully stopped the bike, put it on the side stand and got off by that point. It was me that slipped and fell on my arse, not the bike. It was actually nearly impossible to stand up on.

The other place I've had both me and the bike slide on diesel (but not actually go down) is in and exiting garage forecourts. The unattended Asda one at the North end of Carlisle is particualrly bad for this. Ice-riding mode with feet dangling 'till you're back onto the road if you stop there.
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PostPosted: 08:40 - 24 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks bad at this time of year, but if you can enter and leave garage forecourtswithout falling of then you are doing ok on diesel.
Seems worse here on a Monday morning, lots of roundabouts, an white van man an other workies will fill up to the brim on Sunday night Monday morning, then for their first ten roundabouts they lay down a lovely rainbow sheen at every place you’ll be leant over. 😳😳😳
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PostPosted: 09:54 - 24 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

all makes sense, thanks guys
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 24 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

KRM wrote:
Buying a bike and avoiding riding in the rain or avoiding riding on roads where HGV’s go seems nuts to me and most people I’m sure.


I actively avoid rain, I ride in summer only. I am not alone Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:19 - 24 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I actively avoid rain, I ride in summer only. I am not alone Thumbs Up


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PostPosted: 20:27 - 24 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pussies.
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 24 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Pussies.


Nope, I ride because I want to not because I have to.
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