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Bagheera
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 01 Feb 2020    Post subject: Torquing an oil filter without a nut? Reply with quote

Just about to service my bike for the first time (XSR900), how do you guys go about tightening the oil filter when there's no nut (I think it's only 17nm?) Do you just hand tighten then use a filter wrench to take it a bit further?

Appreciate any advice. Cheers!


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PostPosted: 19:34 - 01 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make sure the rubber o-ring is lubricated with a bit of fresh oil and then hand tight only. You don't need any more, just check for leaks once its filled with oil and running. I've never had one leak using this method
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 01 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

gbrand42 wrote:
Make sure the rubber o-ring is lubricated with a bit of fresh oil and then hand tight only. You don't need any more, just check for leaks once its filled with oil and running. I've never had one leak using this method


Thanks for the reply! I'll do that Smile
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 01 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are a bit weak like me it`s 2 hands tight.
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PostPosted: 00:31 - 02 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hand tight for me too.
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 02 Feb 2020    Post subject: oil filter Reply with quote

I hand tighten and then give it a little bit more with a strap wrench.
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 02 Feb 2020    Post subject: Re: oil filter Reply with quote

2wheelLover51 wrote:
I hand tighten and then give it a little bit more with a strap wrench.


Have you yet to remove any that you've tightened in that manner?

My tuppence worth, oil seal, mount filter until it stops turning with little help from me, then tighten by hand 180 degrees.
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 02 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

gbrand42 wrote:
Make sure the rubber o-ring is lubricated with a bit of fresh oil and then hand tight only. You don't need any more, just check for leaks once its filled with oil and running. I've never had one leak using this method

Do you like to fill your new oil filter with new oil before fitting it? I do. Unsure whether it makes a big difference, but it feels the right way to do it.
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 02 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:

Do you like to fill your new oil filter with new oil before fitting it? I do. Unsure whether it makes a big difference, but it feels the right way to do it.


I personally don't bother as the filter mounts on the front of the engine case so would spill out before you got it screwed on. Wouldn't hurt I guess if its mounted to the bottom of the engine case. But I always recheck the oil level once its been run for a couple of minutes and top up as necessary, so doesn't really matter which method you use.
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 02 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:

Do you like to fill your new oil filter with new oil before fitting it? I do. Unsure whether it makes a big difference, but it feels the right way to do it.


I do, if it makes you feel any better.
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 02 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lube the seal with oil, hand tight.
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 02 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:

Do you like to fill your new oil filter with new oil before fitting it? I do. Unsure whether it makes a big difference, but it feels the right way to do it.


You seen the speed a modern trochoidal pump fires oil round the place?

I bet the filter is full by the time the engine actually fires up.

i once left the old o-ring stuck the the front of the bike so it landed up with two o-rings under the filter. It was oiltight at idle but totally emptied the sump in three blips of the throttle.
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 08 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never mind how tight to get it, I had a nightmare getting the thing off! Not sure who put it on last but it was over tight. In the end resorted to a pipe wrench and screwdriver hammered through the filter. Gave me just enough leverage to get it off!

I hand tightened it plus half a turn.

Thanks for the replies!
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PostPosted: 18:10 - 08 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bagheera wrote:
Never mind how tight to get it, I had a nightmare getting the thing off! Not sure who put it on last but it was over tight. In the end resorted to a pipe wrench and screwdriver hammered through the filter. Gave me just enough leverage to get it off!

I hand tightened it plus half a turn.

Thanks for the replies!


So you did not take our advice.
Another nightmare to remove it next time.
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 08 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaffa90 wrote:
Bagheera wrote:
Never mind how tight to get it, I had a nightmare getting the thing off! Not sure who put it on last but it was over tight. In the end resorted to a pipe wrench and screwdriver hammered through the filter. Gave me just enough leverage to get it off!

I hand tightened it plus half a turn.

Thanks for the replies!


So you did not take our advice.
Another nightmare to remove it next time.


Sorry, half a turn is an exaggeration. Hand tightened it ( not full strength) then just a touch more....
Felt about right to me but I guess I won't know for sure until the next time.


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PostPosted: 18:27 - 08 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaffa90 wrote:
Another nightmare to remove it next time.


What are they on, M20 x 1.5? That'll be .75mm more squished than it needs to be; "you can't make an oiltight seal more oiltight!".
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 08 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bagheera wrote:
hand tightened it plus half a turn.

Thanks for the replies!


Just til it's own friction stops it with no pressure, then half a turn...
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 08 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use an oil filter socket (£5) which the R1's previous owner threw in, and a torque wrench. It fits the Kawasaki too but because oil filters are made of Bacofoil it then needs a few taps with a rubber mallet to get it off the filter. Torque wrench because it means not having to worry about whether stuff is too loose or too tight, although you'll need a service manual to determine whether other fittings are lubed or dry at their specified torque setting.
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PostPosted: 07:45 - 09 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Filling with oil is ok provided you use clean oil and the top of the filter is clean. Some filter manufacturers are better than others at protection from dust andnspiders.
Clean the face of the filter base and oil thebfitler seal.
Spin on and tighten about 3/4 turn after the seal contact the base.
Start the engine and is no leak OK.
If leaking then tighten the filter some more.
You'll need a filter strap/belt to tighten more.
I know Kawasaki ER6 use a very high torque setting. Absolute Bastard to get off.
Heat swells the seals/gasket which provides pressure to keep oil in but almost impossible to remove without tools.
Normally if you use a tool to put on they are kunts to get off later.
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 09 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've only ever hand tightened filters on cars and bikes. My technique is tighten, let my relatively puny wrist recover, tighten again, it usually moves about another quarter of an inch. Check for leaks after the next ride. I've never had one leak. As others have said if you do torque it up it will be a complete and utter bastard to get off next time.
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PostPosted: 23:21 - 09 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
I know Kawasaki ER6 use a very high torque setting. Absolute Bastard to get off.


There are a lot of odd torque settings on the ER6, I believe the manual has quite a few mistakes. 130ft/lb or so on the front sprocket which has a lock washer springs to mind.
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