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Feral Kid
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 11 Feb 2020    Post subject: What's the best Android navigation for bikes? Reply with quote

Hello, can anyone recommend a good navigation for an android phone?
The most important features I'm looking for are:
- option to import previously recorded tracks in at least one of these formats: GPS, KML, KMZ
- working offline
- Proper speed\red light camera alerts

Something free would be great, but if there is no free app with above features then I'm happy to pay for something that does it well

And the following features would be a big advantage:
- option to record and export routes,
- proper average speed cameras alerts, if it actually exist - letting you know when you enter the average speed camera zone and when you exit it

I tried a lot of apps before, but they all have some issues:
- Google Maps
* can't import previously recorded route unless it's exported from GoogleMaps otherwise you just need to plan it in GoogleMaps yourself,
* very poor speed, red light camera alerts
- Waze
* can't import previously recorded route
* doesn't work offline, which is a deal breaker
- OsmAnd
* no speed\red light camera warnings
* not the best interface and look of maps

Also can anyone recommend a good software for editing preciously recorded tracks (like adding new stops, changing the route etc.)?
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 11 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

OsmAnd have fixed speed cameras layer.

I use it for navigating me on .gpx routes that I plan in advance in QMapTool. The interface is quite Spartan but it is very powerful tool.

For general offline navigation, here maps are surprisingly good (no ads, no google).
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 12 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

buy a proper dedicated Sat-nav .. phone software is crap .. or the decent stuff is expensive..
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PostPosted: 00:15 - 13 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree.

If you can't get by with google maps, spend the money and buy a decent outfit.
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 13 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

whats wrong with google ?
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 13 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leearchertog wrote:
whats wrong with google ?


requires an internet connection .. so it's as good as the connection ..
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 13 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copycat73 wrote:
Leearchertog wrote:
whats wrong with google ?


requires an internet connection .. so it's as good as the connection ..


No. You can download maps and run them offline. You just need a GPS connection.
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 13 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use Navmii and Calimoto depending on how I want to use it, but usually for commuting where I know there is 3G I will use Google Maps.
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 13 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:

No. You can download maps and run them offline. You just need a GPS connection.


No. when you miss a turn or detour without a connection your map runs out.
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 13 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have used Copilot for 7 years (paid 35 I think).

Offline maps Thumbs Up .

It's not perfect. They stopped the vehicle road/speed preference setting (luckily mine still works so they can't have phased out the function in the background yet).

Occasionally it asks you to turn left, turn right when going in a straight line.

Once every 10 trips, the audio dies or the app dies, not sure which.


But I've used it for 7 years because:
1. I can design maps and upload them.
2. Offline maps.
3. Works 95% of the time.
4. Speed cameras + over speed warning (switchable).


I use the free Java app https://www.routeconverter.com/home/en to create custom routes and upload if required.
And to convert routes from other sources (KML etc)

You can edit routes once in Copilot, drag routes around, avoid road, use road etc Save the route. But its easier doing it on computer.


EDIT:

Sygic might be worth a look. Also, TomTom do a dedicated phone app now IIRC.
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 13 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Navmii has offline maps, and is free.
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PostPosted: 07:10 - 14 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copycat73 wrote:
iooi wrote:

No. You can download maps and run them offline. You just need a GPS connection.


No. when you miss a turn or detour without a connection your map runs out.


You can download the whole of the UK if needed.
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 14 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leearchertog wrote:
whats wrong with google ?


Are you under the blankets?

😊

Google Maps is shite.

Routing relies heavily on internet connection.

It's extremely unintuitive.

It collects information ('They' don't really need to know.)

As suggested, if you are serious buy a bike sat nav.

The alternative is limited.

I 'try' to use Google maps, Navme, GPS Essentials etc. Off the beaten tracks. In Saudi, (and the Muddle East region) Kazakhstan and even remote UK.
It's unreliable.

But a proper sat nav works.

Warning, do not rely on a single means of navigation if your safety relies on a navigation device.

Always plan for redundancies.
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 14 Feb 2020    Post subject: Re: What's the best Android navigation for bikes? Reply with quote

Feral Kid wrote:
Hello, can anyone recommend a good navigation for an android phone?
The most important features I'm looking for are:
- option to import previously recorded tracks in at least one of these formats: GPS, KML, KMZ
- working offline
- Proper speed\red light camera alerts

Something free would be great, but if there is no free app with above features then I'm happy to pay for something that does it well

And the following features would be a big advantage:
- option to record and export routes,
- proper average speed cameras alerts, if it actually exist - letting you know when you enter the average speed camera zone and when you exit it

I tried a lot of apps before, but they all have some issues:
- Google Maps
* can't import previously recorded route unless it's exported from GoogleMaps otherwise you just need to plan it in GoogleMaps yourself,
* very poor speed, red light camera alerts
- Waze
* can't import previously recorded route
* doesn't work offline, which is a deal breaker
- OsmAnd
* no speed\red light camera warnings
* not the best interface and look of maps

Also can anyone recommend a good software for editing preciously recorded tracks (like adding new stops, changing the route etc.)?


Garmin have Base Camp mapping software. Free to download and use.
There are better I'm sure but base camp sort of works.
I'm not certain, I think It only connects to Garmin products for data transfer.
Possibly maps and routes can be exported too.
I don't fuck much with it now though.
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 14 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
Leearchertog wrote:
whats wrong with google ?


Are you under the blankets?

😊

Google Maps is shite.

Routing relies heavily on internet connection.

It's extremely unintuitive.

It collects information ('They' don't really need to know.)

But a proper sat nav works.

.


Aside from that, the colour scheme has absolutely minimal contrast between roads and background, it's difficult for "at a glance" understanding of what's coming up. Not so bad in a car, but on a bike it could literally be killer. Can't see it working well with gloves either, even if your gloves will work a touch screen to start off with. Proper bike sat-nav is the way to go.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 14 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copycat73 wrote:
iooi wrote:

No. You can download maps and run them offline. You just need a GPS connection.


No. when you miss a turn or detour without a connection your map runs out.


Strange mine works just fine.
I think your issue is your GPS connection...
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 14 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:

Strange mine works just fine.
I think your issue is your GPS connection...


Strange .. mine works fine..
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 14 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThatDippyTwat wrote:

You can download the whole of the UK if needed.
then why have you not ?
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 14 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
Leearchertog wrote:
whats wrong with google ?

Warning, do not rely on a single means of navigation if your safety relies on a navigation device.

Always plan for redundancies.


Paper maps .. would never go "off piste" without one or more..
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 14 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copycat73 wrote:
ThatDippyTwat wrote:

You can download the whole of the UK if needed.
then why have you not ?


As far as I can tell - I have. Not sure what your issue is?
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 14 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThatDippyTwat wrote:

As far as I can tell - I have. Not sure what your issue is?

you post .. i ask ..
why would there be an issue ?
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 16 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copycat73 wrote:
Leearchertog wrote:
whats wrong with google ?


requires an internet connection .. so it's as good as the connection ..


ah yeh fair point
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 16 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
Leearchertog wrote:
whats wrong with google ?


Are you under the blankets?

😊

Google Maps is shite.

Routing relies heavily on internet connection.

It's extremely unintuitive.

It collects information ('They' don't really need to know.)

As suggested, if you are serious buy a bike sat nav.

The alternative is limited.

I 'try' to use Google maps, Navme, GPS Essentials etc. Off the beaten tracks. In Saudi, (and the Muddle East region) Kazakhstan and even remote UK.
It's unreliable.

But a proper sat nav works.

Warning, do not rely on a single means of navigation if your safety relies on a navigation device.

Always plan for redundancies.


was a genuine question with no need for clever remarks.. my car sat nav has taken me on mad detours, yet google has me arrive exactly where i need to be when finding a work venue.. But was curious what other points were without suggesting im stupid.
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 16 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

What worked for me is a rough idea of where I'm going, which junctions to exit at, and a quick stop to glance at google maps and reaffirm that I'm going the right way if I get suspicious that I may have gone the wrong way for a sec.

I can't chat shit anymore though because I just use the BMW app that shows directions on this fancy TFT dash.
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