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I will just leave this here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9jscWk2DMg ____________________ Famous last words of Humpty Dumpty. " Stop pushing me "
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Economies of scale will hopefully drop that >20k Zero down to 15k, 10k and so on... TBH I feel electric motorcycles could be a much more practical transport solution than electric cars, and certainly lorries.
The proportion of weight for the engine + fuel tank versus the "necessary bits" (brakes, suspension, errr... wheels steering, etc.) means you're taking away quite a bit before swapping in a motor + battery. Also a bike is only meant to take 1 or 2 people.
A car on the other hand still has a stack of weight (more wheels, body shell, seats, etc.) and is meant to take 1 to 5 people!
All in all I'd say we (as bikers) could have the best of electric vehicles: range not much worse than a tank of fuel, squeaky-bum levels of acceleration and the quickest recharge time. Engine and exhaust noise is the only real sacrifice. ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Looking at their website they seem to have got the aesthetics pretty nice. They do look like bikes.
However - It's always a however.....
The range is city miles. Without digging through trying to find their definition of city mile, I'd guess at something like a steady 30mph.
I go out on Sundays with my friends riding and 100 miles is the minimum, usually 150+ at NSL speeds. How far will it go ridden like that.
I'd like to try one but I certainly wont be buying. ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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Did you hear that?
That was the noise of my electric bike Zorst.
How many kittens will be killed by pipes that are quiet? ____________________ Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN. |
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Polarbear wrote: | Looking at their website they seem to have got the aesthetics pretty nice. They do look like bikes.
However - It's always a however.....
The range is city miles. Without digging through trying to find their definition of city mile, I'd guess at something like a steady 30mph.
I go out on Sundays with my friends riding and 100 miles is the minimum, usually 150+ at NSL speeds. How far will it go ridden like that.
I'd like to try one but I certainly wont be buying. |
I bumped into a chap the other day who had ridden up to London from Southampton on his Zero using motorways. He still had about half the range left.
He had retrofitted an old 1950s fairing to it which was pretty cool, and probably helped a little with aerodynamics and range. The fairing is why I got talking to him, in case you wondered. ____________________ I am a bellend, I am a man of constant sorrow, I am a gummy bear, I am a rock. |
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The Zero is one of the first offerings we can take seriously; bit like Tesla but without the pot-smoking and mad rockets. Things should only get better from here
What sort of noises are ppl like Yamaha, Honda, BMW, etc. making about electric bikes? ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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I think they're charging that because they can, for now.
There is limited supply, and even at £20k for the bike, if you can afford the monthly payment or outright cost, it does work out cheaper in the end for a commuter.
Honda, Suzuki and BMW will surely do something, they've all got car businesses to borrow tech from and lower the costs. When a few more manufacturers are involved, the costs will naturally come down.
When the only alternative is the tube, bikes will continue to do well around London at least. There are enough people with the money to afford the outlay.
Mind you, they're increasing the 20 zones, being overtaken by cyclists doesn't sound that fun! ____________________ I am a bellend, I am a man of constant sorrow, I am a gummy bear, I am a rock. |
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c_dug wrote: | I think they're charging that because they can, for now.
There is limited supply, and even at £20k for the bike, if you can afford the monthly payment or outright cost, it does work out cheaper in the end for a commuter.
Honda, Suzuki and BMW will surely do something, they've all got car businesses to borrow tech from and lower the costs. When a few more manufacturers are involved, the costs will naturally come down.
When the only alternative is the tube, bikes will continue to do well around London at least. There are enough people with the money to afford the outlay.
Mind you, they're increasing the 20 zones, being overtaken by cyclists doesn't sound that fun! |
Might as well get an electric push bike then. Cheaper, no rules to worry about. ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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Yeahbut, when petrol stations are all gone and you can only buy fuel from Halfords in a 25l bottle for £200, your museum piece is basically unusable. ____________________ I am a bellend, I am a man of constant sorrow, I am a gummy bear, I am a rock. |
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Polarbear wrote: | I can see a lot of bike manufacturers closing down. I just don't think motorcycling has the mass appeal to transfer to electric successfully.
Look on this site, there are 1 or 2 protagonists, a few ambivalent and most against.
I reckon a large swathe of bikers won't make the change, certainly the older ones and attracting new blood is hard enough as it is.
Chinese disposable electric scooters will become the norm. Bikes for fun? Not at that money. |
What makes you think that?? What percentage of owners of the currently 'active' 1.3 million motorcycles in the UK are on this forum? Those of us on here, are very much in the minority of the motorcycle owning public, and, probably not all that representative.
As time progresses, costs come down, and range continues to increase, and choice of manufacturers and models increases, there's no reason why current manufacturers should go to the wall.
Even Triumph have a electric bike coming along, Royal Enfield are known to be working on 1, a number of patents have been applied for by the various japanese manufacturers ...
What, they, have to be wary of, is, the chinese, who's ev's are getting quite advanced, and as a country they are probably somewhat ahead of the curve in both ownership and manufacture of ev's. I would really like to see a UK distributor pick up the Evoke brand, they look a very decent proposition, and, are getting really good reviews in the press.. Anyhow, I digress, essentially, the current mainstream manufacturers really do need to start upping their game in this area, or, risk losing out. ____________________ Beware what photos you upload, or link to on here, especially if you have family members on them |
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Yeahbut, when petrol stations are all gone and you can only buy fuel from Halfords in a 25l bottle for £200, your museum piece is basically unusable. |
Retro-fit to run on Ethanol ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 4 years, 104 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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