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hume
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 23 Feb 2020    Post subject: Having trouble removing the chain slack. Reply with quote

As above. I loosened the bolts and the adjusters and use screwdriver to remove the slack and then re-tighten everything. The slack appears once I remove the screwdriver.

I don't know whether any of the following are causing a problem:

1. I don't tighten the swingarm bolts at the same time. I do one and then the other. I don't know if this makes a difference.

2. The adjuster cover on the swingarm on the clutch side is not fully aligned with the swingarm. Although I was able to remove the slack the last time I tried and this wasn't a problem.

3. The indicators markings when loosing and tighten the bolts\adjusters don't move to show a change in position.

I will take the bike to a garage at some point this week, but I would like to be able to troubleshoot this myself.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 23 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all nut and bolt adjusters isn't it? What are you doing with the screwdriver?
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PostPosted: 17:29 - 23 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

What bike and any pics???????????????????????
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 23 Feb 2020    Post subject: Re: Having trouble removing the chain slack. Reply with quote

hume wrote:
As above. I loosened the bolts and the adjusters and use screwdriver to remove the slack and then re-tighten everything. The slack appears once I remove the screwdriver.

I don't know whether any of the following are causing a problem:

1. I don't tighten the swingarm bolts at the same time. I do one and then the other. I don't know if this makes a difference.

2. The adjuster cover on the swingarm on the clutch side is not fully aligned with the swingarm. Although I was able to remove the slack the last time I tried and this wasn't a problem.

3. The indicators markings when loosing and tighten the bolts\adjusters don't move to show a change in position.

I will take the bike to a garage at some point this week, but I would like to be able to troubleshoot this myself.

Some of that would be easier to understand with pictures; from the side of the motorbike, pointing along the wheel spindle, for instance, showing the end of the swinging-arm, rear sprocket and adjusters on the drive side, and another pic similar from the other side.
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PostPosted: 17:47 - 23 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

CBR125R, based on posting history. Oh, is this the "jam a screwdriver between chain and sprocket on the lower rung" technique? "Tighten adjusters, tighten axle, pull screwdriver out and..". apparently it doesn't work. Try a smaller diameter screwdriver, I guess. I don't use one. My top tip would be to only loosen the axle nut a little bit. Loosening too much allows the two arms of the swing arm to splay out, slackening the chain a fraction. When you tighten back up again the arms get slightly closer together, taking up slack, so now your carefully adjusted chain has tightened itself. Also bear in mind that the tension will likely tighten when the rear suspension is loaded (assuming you're adjusting with the wheel off the ground.
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 23 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Says you are London on the map, where abouts? I'm happy to swing by if you are close Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 23 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many miles have chain and sprockets done? It could be that the adjusters are at their limit and it is time for new chain and sprockets.
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 23 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure why you would be using a screwdriver to adjust the chain but previous history says you need a new chain and sprockets.
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 23 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you pull the chain away from the rear sprocket away from the bike (ie directly rearward), can you see more than half a tooth of the sprocket? If so the chain is shagged and you need a new one. What you may be seeing is that you’re already at the maximum adjustment.
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PostPosted: 06:37 - 24 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

xX-Alex-Xx wrote:
If you pull the chain away from the rear sprocket away from the bike (ie directly rearward), can you see more than half a tooth of the sprocket? If so the chain is shagged and you need a new one. What you may be seeing is that you’re already at the maximum adjustment.


I did exactly this (pulling the chain with the screwdriver). I suspect you're right in your assessment.

I brought the bike new last September. Could the chain need replacing after 2500 miles?

On the ride to work this morning I heard a horrendous clunk everytime I dropped down to third and second gear.
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PostPosted: 06:54 - 24 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

How often has the chain been cleaned and lubricated?
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PostPosted: 09:19 - 24 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

hume wrote:


I did exactly this (pulling the chain with the screwdriver). I suspect you're right in your assessment.

I brought the bike new last September. Could the chain need replacing after 2500 miles?

On the ride to work this morning I heard a horrendous clunk everytime I dropped down to third and second gear.


Take it to a garage, watch how the mechanic does it. Shouldn't cost much, it'll take the mechanic 10 mins, at most, including having a natter. Most will let you see how they do it. Once you've seen how it's done, you'll see how easy it is.

Oh, and, also, at a minimum, lube & check your chain after every refill of your tank, from hereon in
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 24 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
How often has the chain been cleaned and lubricated?


I felt like asking the same question.

I'm going to come down off the fence and say minimal to zero chain maintenance.

Although it says in the manuals. There are folk who do not need manuals. 🤣🤣
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 24 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

hume, have you watched a couple of YouTube videos to see how the adjustment is done? There are a few useful ones, but some people's English isn't terribly accurate, so seeing a few will help get the idea.
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 24 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
hume, have you watched a couple of YouTube videos to see how the adjustment is done? There are a few useful ones, but some people's English isn't terribly accurate, so seeing a few will help get the idea.


Casual Oxymoron chucked in for clarity. 👍

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PostPosted: 12:01 - 24 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's engineering, the most logical process known to man.

Think -

To tighten the chain, you have to move the rear wheel back to increase the distance between the front and rear sprockets.

You need to keep the wheel straight so check the position of the adjusters on both sides of the swing arm is the same.

Move the chain up and down to make sure you have a bit of slack (probably 15/25mm ish).

Nip up axle bolts, check again. If ok, tighten properly.

I get some people aren't mechanically minded but unless you are a complete idiot, surely you can work out what's happening.
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 24 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Move the chain up and down to make sure you have a bit of slack (probably 15/25mm ish).

Is it worth pointing out that "slack" is the amount you can move it up & down with a finger until it's just taut at either extreme, not the amount you can move it up and down using a big lever?
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 24 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would hope that I really don't need to mention this, but make sure you check the slack with the bike on the side stand and not the main stand.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 24 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

martin734 wrote:
I would hope that I really don't need to mention this, but make sure you check the slack with the bike on the side stand and not the main stand.


Actually, you should be adjusting it according to the owners manual. It'll say there whether it is on the side or centre stands.

It'll also say the same for checking oil levels.
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 24 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
Polarbear wrote:
Move the chain up and down to make sure you have a bit of slack (probably 15/25mm ish).

Is it worth pointing out that "slack" is the amount you can move it up & down with a finger until it's just taut at either extreme, not the amount you can move it up and down using a big lever?


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PostPosted: 15:34 - 24 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
It's engineering, the most logical process known to man.

Think -

To tighten the chain, you have to move the rear wheel back to increase the distance between the front and rear sprockets.

You need to keep the wheel straight so check the position of the adjusters on both sides of the swing arm is the same.

Move the chain up and down to make sure you have a bit of slack (probably 15/25mm ish).

Nip up axle bolts, check again. If ok, tighten properly.

I get some people aren't mechanically minded but unless you are a complete idiot, surely you can work out what's happening.


I did manage to remove the chain slack the first time I tried. A couple of weeks back. But I could feel the chain tension when riding and knew I had to introduce a little slack. Which I did. This time round I can't remove the slack using the same process outlined in your post. I will admit I could be doing something wrong, but not to the point where it fails to remove any slack whatsoever.

I've got a mobile mechanic coming around tomorrow to have a look at it.
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 24 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

hume wrote:


I've got a mobile mechanic coming around tomorrow to have a look at it.


Can you video their reaction when they see it? I'll put 5 quid on hysterical laughter and 2 on sadly shaking of head.
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 24 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
How often has the chain been cleaned and lubricated?


I felt like asking the same question.

I'm going to come down off the fence and say minimal to zero chain maintenance.

Although it says in the manuals. There are folk who do not need manuals. 🤣🤣


Shamefully I've had the bike 6 months and have cleaned and lubricated the chain twice in that time. Moving forward (with the Abba stand I just purchased) I'll be sure to clean it more often (twice a month).
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PostPosted: 15:42 - 24 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

hume wrote:
brought.


Where have you taken it to?
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 24 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

hume wrote:


...... clean it more often (twice a month).



Cleaning it based on 'time periods' isn't much cop, what happens if you ride 3000 miles that month? Are you really going to leave the chain without at least fresh lube for 3000 miles? Lube the chain after each tank full of fuel (gives at least a uniformity to doing so), or, if the weather is crap, more often. There's less of a need to clean the chain as often, but, lubing it, definitely. Don't need to setup the abba stand for that, just roll it forward, or backwards until you've completed 1 revolution, or, get something like a rollastand, so, you can turn the back wheel by hand.
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