Economically Inactive

[Polarbear]

Treadmills with generators on the end. Power for the eco cars. Win Win.

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As far as Nobbys statement that the removal of freedom is the punishment and everything else heaped on the prisoner is wrong?

Two different schools of thought.

Incarceration and rehabilitation or Incarceration and hard labour.

The trouble is from what I have read (and feel free to prove me wrong) rehabilitation isn't very successful simply because the majority of people incarcerated return to their original places and crimes on leaving jail. That's never going to change short of forced relocation of ex prisoners. That will be popular with the PC

Therefore you go the other way and make prison so horrendous that people will do anything not to return. That won't be popular with the PC brigade either.

Or we just turn them into soylent green.
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[Ribenapigeon]

Rehabilitation does work. The problem is it needs proper funding and twenty years of xutting back spending has an effect. I suspect that a lot of rehab programs have descended into nothing more than tick box excercises like everything else in the social service sector.

Also rehabilitative approaches don't satisfy those people who want a vengeance based justice system.

[Nobby the Bastard]

Rehabilitation only works when it continues after the prison sentence ends. Currently it doesn't.
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[Ribenapigeon]

The solution for all you social conservatives though is Islam. Think about it, no more SJWs, no more of the progressive social crap you whinge about.

[MCN]

I would offer Personality Disorders are what a lot of folk in gaol suffer from (Or society suffers as the perps don't seem to care.)
Rehab possibly does more to prevent borderline re-offenders but it is a very difficult thing to re-invent a personality that has been brutalised by life.

It is said genetics only provide the tools and life determines the outcome.

Sociopaths.
Psychopaths.
Narcissists.
Do not have an ability to 'feel' empathy for the harm they cause.
They can only learn how to behave like normal personalities do in that situation.
Rehab will not work for those types.
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[pepperami]

[bhinso]

At ASDA today the (wo)manned tills were packed with people. So I went to the self serve tills.

Thereby contributing to unemployment.

On the basis of this thread, I'm not sure if that makes me a racist or not.

[Lord Percy]

I think this new visa ruling is going to be great.

It'll help put an end to bargain basement salaries. If these companies can't find staff, they'll have to up their wages to compete. And if they can't afford the wages... then they'll have to up their prices.

The only loser in this scenario is the upper and middle classes, the folk who don't do/want the now-higher-paying menial jobs, but have to pay more for the things those jobs produce.

Win win really.

There is definitely a rather large gap, however, between the Tories' claim that unemployment is at record lows, while we also have several million 'economically inactive' hidden away somewhere.

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[Polarbear]

The cost for keeping someone a prisoner vary from £31000 to £70000 according to internet.

Fcuk that, make them work. Why not, they are getting meals, accommodation while inside. Everyone else has to work to get that.
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[Ribenapigeon]

[Ste]

Does community service count as forced labour?

[Polarbear]

[Ribenapigeon]

When threads touch on criminal justice they invariably end up as an outlet for amateur sadism. I think we should just fast forward a few pages and just get straight to tje eugenics stuff.

[pepperami]

[Sister Sledge]

Do prisoners not do stuff anyway? I once heard they made postal sacks. In recent times they were folding charity bags??

Prison does seem a bit cushy now. TV sets, heating, roof over head, food, clothing, free education, free gym and so on. Sure there are some twats in there but you'll find them on the outside too.
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[Polarbear]

My local prison, Woodhill, that has been deemed not fit for purpose etc. etc.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/04/22/21/03E9CBE10000044D-0-image-a-7_1492893904911.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/04/22/21/3F7F39B600000578-0-image-a-3_1492892882999.jpg

I know a good few people who are living on boats in conditions way worse than those prisoners are experiencing but hey, they can be ignored along with people on the streets and people in slums. It really really gets my fcuking goat.

If the country can't afford everything and has to prioritise, prisoners who chose to break the law come way down my list of needy people. Fcuk em.
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[bhinso]

Why was it deemed not fit for purpose?

Was the prayer mat pointed the wrong way?

[Ste]

[bhinso]

Plus the prayer mat was pointing the wrong way.

[Lord Percy]

[Easy-X]

I have a friend who worked at Feltham. I asked him once: if you took out all the mentally ill, addicts and illiterates how many prisoners would you have left? "Less than the number of officers!"

We don't need prisons we need asylums, drying out clinics and schools!
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