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Who knows what import regulations will be like in 12 months. ____________________ Just because my bike was A DIVVY, does not mean i am...... |
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What's the year of manufacture of the Spanish ZZR?
What instantly springs to my mind, is that there's good odds that the thing was 'exported' (first from Japan! but...) was probably first used and reg'd in either holland, germany or most likely UK anyway!
Due to the EU licence laws and local tax laws until harmonisation, particularly Spain and Italy had some rather punitive 'Protectionist'laws to support the domestic manufacturers, which is why Honda bought an italian manufacturer to make NS125's there, as well as Montesa in Spain to build bikes, mostly melody mopeds ISTR in Iberia, to get around the import laws.
A lot of UK 'big' bikes, then git bought up here 2nd hand and shipped out to countries in the EU that until harmonisation practically couldn't have them.
I wouldn't be surprised then if you brought a Spanish reg's ZZR into the UK, when you came to register it with Swansea and get UK log book, you got a letter telling you that it had been scrapped/permenantly exported, sometime i the early nauhties! Cos they still have the VIN on file!
However... that don't really help much.....
AFAIK on the tax score, you pay VAT on the UK value of the vehicle. How old and how valuable is the bike? We might only be talking a few pence, old ZZR's aren't exactly mega-money... which begs the suggestion, leave it where it is, and if you really want an old ZZR buy one that's already UK reg'd in the UK, save all the risks and pennies.
But haven't you got to get your licence first?
Chickens and eggs and ducks in a row, me thinks.......
Add on Ed:-
Other thunk that springs to mind is that apart from not having done your tests and got a licence to ride a big bike yet; where is your 'normal; place of residence? In other threads on getting your licence you suggest that its the UK and that you are doing tests, in the UK for a UK issues licence....
Registration of bike should match the insurance, should match the address on your licence.. if not you are opening a very large can of red-tape to get tangled in. Especially as UK is no longer an EU member state!
So where is your 'declared' place of domicile, and registration address for licence, V5 and insurance?
Paying the VAT or not, here, could be small fish in the fryer! ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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| Teflon-Mike wrote: | What's the year of manufacture of the Spanish ZZR?
What instantly springs to my mind, is that there's good odds that the thing was 'exported' (first from Japan! but...) was probably first used and reg'd in either holland, germany or most likely UK anyway!
Due to the EU licence laws and local tax laws until harmonisation, particularly Spain and Italy had some rather punitive 'Protectionist'laws to support the domestic manufacturers, which is why Honda bought an italian manufacturer to make NS125's there, as well as Montesa in Spain to build bikes, mostly melody mopeds ISTR in Iberia, to get around the import laws.
A lot of UK 'big' bikes, then git bought up here 2nd hand and shipped out to countries in the EU that until harmonisation practically couldn't have them.
I wouldn't be surprised then if you brought a Spanish reg's ZZR into the UK, when you came to register it with Swansea and get UK log book, you got a letter telling you that it had been scrapped/permenantly exported, sometime i the early nauhties! Cos they still have the VIN on file!
However... that don't really help much.....
AFAIK on the tax score, you pay VAT on the UK value of the vehicle. How old and how valuable is the bike? We might only be talking a few pence, old ZZR's aren't exactly mega-money... which begs the suggestion, leave it where it is, and if you really want an old ZZR buy one that's already UK reg'd in the UK, save all the risks and pennies.
But haven't you got to get your licence first?
Chickens and eggs and ducks in a row, me thinks.......
Add on Ed:-
Other thunk that springs to mind is that apart from not having done your tests and got a licence to ride a big bike yet; where is your 'normal; place of residence? In other threads on getting your licence you suggest that its the UK and that you are doing tests, in the UK for a UK issues licence....
Registration of bike should match the insurance, should match the address on your licence.. if not you are opening a very large can of red-tape to get tangled in. Especially as UK is no longer an EU member state!
So where is your 'declared' place of domicile, and registration address for licence, V5 and insurance?
Paying the VAT or not, here, could be small fish in the fryer! |
RE residency, that is why I want to buy one in Spain, not the UK. I could buy a UK bike, ride it over there, but then I have all sorts of problems with licensing and insturance and registration/ general red tape, like you say.
It's all quite confusing to me and I'm just trying to work out what my options are, frankly. The one that casues the least hassle is probably going to be the winner.
The long and the short of it is, from July-December I need to be in a different Spanish city every month. I know I could take the train, but boy oh boy would it be better on a bike. And if I'm buying a bike to do that on, I heard there is a 6 month rule - If you own it for 6 months then you don't need to pay import tax. If so, I might as well buy it early, and then I have a play thing for the weekends as well as my touring transport sorted. |
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The last post was made 6 years, 121 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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