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PostPosted: 14:51 - 05 Mar 2020    Post subject: Flybe Colapse into Bankruptcy Reply with quote
Another Airline down and out.

Dropping like flies.

https://www.flybe.com/
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Sadly it will make no difference to me, I’m to poor to be able to afford a holiday abroad now or any time in the near future.

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They seemed happy enough to be taking bookings last night.

I only tried after hearing the news and wanted to see if my cynicism towards large companys was deserved.
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 05 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Blame sweepstake

Coronavirus, Brexit, ERM, Climate Change, Wipey....

Sh1t management?

But....but....I have a degree in business management.
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 05 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
https://youtu.be/6Oe8T3AvydU

Why they are flying into fiscal troubles.
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 05 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
I too am too poor to care.
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 05 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
They keep claiming their services are "essential" but most of their business is flying people about within the UK. So nothing more than 450 miles.

I think their longest haul within the UK is Inverness to Birmingham. 3.5h by plane, 8h15m by train. However, you need to arrive what, 2h before a flight? Then spend another hour fucking about at the other end?

I'd call that "convenient" rather than "essential" to save 1h 45m off your overall journey time.

Maybe it's a good thing they've gone under if the aim is to reduce unecessary air travel for environmental reasons.
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 06 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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They keep claiming their services are "essential" but most of their business is flying people about within the UK. So nothing more than 450 miles.

I think their longest haul within the UK is Inverness to Birmingham. 3.5h by plane, 8h15m by train. However, you need to arrive what, 2h before a flight? Then spend another hour fucking about at the other end?

I'd call that "convenient" rather than "essential" to save 1h 45m off your overall journey time.

Maybe it's a good thing they've gone under if the aim is to reduce unecessary air travel for environmental reasons.


Except someone will take over the profitable routes.
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 06 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Say what you want about the management/coronavirus/bad luck etc but...

I do feel sorry for the members of staff that work for flyby (not the execs) I live/work in southend on sea, next to its airport ( I literally work next to the airport, if I turn around on my desk chair I am actually looking directly at the runway from the side) and I know people who work for flybe/ground crew who are going to be screwed for jobs because of this, especially those paying mortgages Shocked )

There are always loads of planes taking off from the airport, especially lots of the little flybe propeller planes, the purple ones that you always see on their website. Today I have not seen one plane take off, it's like the airport has just been closed down completely.

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Except someone will take over the profitable routes.


What they will do, as there is less compitition, is they will probably charge you twice the price. so the environment will be better as less planes, but you will suffer in higher price, so it is a double edged sword in this case Thinking
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 06 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
They keep claiming their services are "essential" but most of their business is flying people about within the UK. So nothing more than 450 miles.

I think their longest haul within the UK is Inverness to Birmingham. 3.5h by plane, 8h15m by train. However, you need to arrive what, 2h before a flight? Then spend another hour fucking about at the other end?

I'd call that "convenient" rather than "essential" to save 1h 45m off your overall journey time.

Maybe it's a good thing they've gone under if the aim is to reduce unecessary air travel for environmental reasons.


Flight from Southampton to Manchester was £74 return booked by work the day before Flybe crashed. The return train was 4.5hrs each way and over three times the cost.
It's way cheaper to fly budget than to catch a cross country train.
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Flight from Southampton to Manchester was £74 return booked by work the day before Flybe crashed. The return train was 4.5hrs each way and over three times the cost.
It's way cheaper to fly budget than to catch a cross country train.


Perhaps that might have been the issue. You can't ride a bike for much less than the cost of a flight.
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Flight from Southampton to Manchester was £74 return booked by work the day before Flybe crashed. The return train was 4.5hrs each way and over three times the cost.
It's way cheaper to fly budget than to catch a cross country train.


So, my points were that flying within the UK is convenient rather than essential and that we probably shouldn't be doing it anyway.

I actually think we should have a non-tradeable annual flying "ration". Exceed this and you get taxed to the hilt on a progressively increasing scale.
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MCN wrote:
https://youtu.be/6Oe8T3AvydU

Why they are flying into fiscal troubles.



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PostPosted: 00:48 - 07 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
bhinso wrote:
MCN wrote:
https://youtu.be/6Oe8T3AvydU

Why they are flying into fiscal troubles.



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High Bypass jet engines are cool too. Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 07 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I actually think we should have a non-tradeable annual flying "ration". Exceed this and you get taxed to the hilt on a progressively increasing scale.


I actually think we should have properly priced train fares.

Something is extremely, incredibly wrong when planes are cheaper than trains.
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Lord Percy wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:


I actually think we should have a non-tradeable annual flying "ration". Exceed this and you get taxed to the hilt on a progressively increasing scale.


I actually think we should have properly priced train fares.

Something is extremely, incredibly wrong when planes are cheaper than trains.


I have never ever worked out how budget airlines make money. I honestly cannot work it out. I know the price of avgas/jet fuel/fancy parrafin or whatever you want to call it and even without counting airport fees and taxes it totally baffles me how they make a profit. Can anyone explain?

Saying that, trains are the opposite. They make a fortune in fares, don't have to supply seats for each of their passengers like planes and coaches do yet are always griping about costs.

cvnts, the lot of them.
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 07 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:

So, my points were that flying within the UK is convenient rather than essential and that we probably shouldn't be doing it anyway.

I actually think we should have a non-tradeable annual flying "ration". Exceed this and you get taxed to the hilt on a progressively increasing scale.


It's a bit different when you live somewhere like Orkney or Shetland. For me to get down to say, a meeting in the central belt would be a ferry crossing, a long drive (about 7 hours) and a couple of nights accommodation. The train service is hopeless so that's out but for comparison, I can catch the early flight down to Edinburgh and fly back the same day. It's also a vital service for NHS patients who need treatment at Aberdeen or Glasgow.

Back on topic, Flybe are authors of their own misfortune IMO. We had them as our default service for a few years and for the first three or four, they were great. Then the last couple were plagued with cancelled flights, delayed flights and other problems - it earned them the nickname Flymaybe. The issue was definitely Flybe's. The service was subbed to Loganair who are generally great - now they've taken the contract on properly, the service is excellent.
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Lord Percy wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:


I actually think we should have a non-tradeable annual flying "ration". Exceed this and you get taxed to the hilt on a progressively increasing scale.


I actually think we should have properly priced train fares.

Something is extremely, incredibly wrong when planes are cheaper than trains.


Yep

Going back 15 years, I bought a car in Doncaster, via ebay, so I had to travel from South London to collect it.

Not being a regular train traveller, I took a quick glance at the prices on the internet and thought 35 quid seemed OK - what I didn't realise was, that price was only valid if I booked in advance for a particular departure time.

The reality was, I turned up at the station at the time I wanted to travel and a ticket for the next train was £75.

I picked up the car (a Merc 190, so not especially economical) put 40 quids worth of petrol in it and drove it back to London, with fuel to spare.

As long as I can drive where I want, when I want, for less than it costs to go by any other form of transport, then I'm going to drive - it's not rocket surgery.
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PostPosted: 05:58 - 08 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Islander wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:

So, my points were that flying within the UK is convenient rather than essential and that we probably shouldn't be doing it anyway.

I actually think we should have a non-tradeable annual flying "ration". Exceed this and you get taxed to the hilt on a progressively increasing scale.


It's a bit different when you live somewhere like Orkney or Shetland. For me to get down to say, a meeting in the central belt would be a ferry crossing, a long drive (about 7 hours) and a couple of nights accommodation. The train service is hopeless so that's out but for comparison, I can catch the early flight down to Edinburgh and fly back the same day. It's also a vital service for NHS patients who need treatment at Aberdeen or Glasgow.

Back on topic, Flybe are authors of their own misfortune IMO. We had them as our default service for a few years and for the first three or four, they were great. Then the last couple were plagued with cancelled flights, delayed flights and other problems - it earned them the nickname Flymaybe. The issue was definitely Flybe's. The service was subbed to Loganair who are generally great - now they've taken the contract on properly, the service is excellent.


It's more complex than Flybe Mastered it.
Customers don't like price hikes.

I fly from Glezga into Atyrau every other month. Personal.
I used the national carrier Air Astana.
They gouged me for £700+ for the return booked 1 nth in advance. (But only from Amsterdam. I had to buy a £200 ams-gla-ams as Astana wanted another £500 on top of the Atyrau-Amsterdam leg.)
They rescheduled that route about 2 yrs ago.
Now they want £2000+ for the exact same seat.
I know the flight I use is normally only 20-25% full.
Low passenger numbers might mean higher seat prices. But then a lower seat price might encourage more to use it.

I now fly Aeroflot Glezga-Amsterdam-Moscow-Atyrau.
All in about £800 but it's a hoowur of a long travel out. As there are long lay-overs.

Air Astana charge about £800 for the flight from AMS to the Capital Astana. On then other side of the country.

They gouge because Atyrau is the Oil Hub for Kazakhstan.

Very unfair for nationals who.live in Atyrau area if they want to visit fam in Europe or USA etc.

I sort of hope government intervention would prevent the same monopoly in Europe. To force airlines to level out fares.

(Like the SNP and their Road Equivalent Ferry pricing.
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PostPosted: 10:52 - 08 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:

So, my points were that flying within the UK is convenient rather than essential and that we probably shouldn't be doing it anyway.


I agree and had this argument with my employer. We regularly travel from offices down South to Manc (or vice versa).

Cost we pay for a return ticket Southampton - Manc is usually within the £200-260 range (both ways, all taxes, etc). Add to that the cost and time of getting to Southampton Airport (for me that's another 60-90 minutes, £20(ish) claimed mileage each way and airport parking) and getting from Manc airport to Office location, £25 taxi followed by at least another £10 taxi to get to hotel (repeat these £10's twice a day every day there).

So for a couple of days up North if I fly it's costing my company almost £400 in travel cost. not including Hotels and other expenses.

Time wise from my door to our Manc office door if I fly I'm looking at 4-5 hours. I can't work during this time as most of it is farting about travelling to the airport, getting through the airport, etc. Time in air is so short no point trying to get the laptop out.

If I drive, travel cost based on 45p a mile from my door to our office door is £85, so I'll claim £170 return. Takes me 3 1/2 hours if I hold my bladder, 4 hours if I stop to piss and eat.

Driving costs less, takes less time, I'm more productive (phone on bluetooth) and also running a 1.5 Diesel Mini I actually make a profit on the mileage claim, even after factoring in service, tyres, etc over the year.

Yet up till they went tits up we still had people booking flybe Southampton-Manc......... I think people see it as a prestige thing, "look I'm so important I can get on a plane and play sardines, while massively inconveniencing myself". Rolling Eyes
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If you live not much more than 40mins from the airport then flying can be easier.
Restrictions on what you can carry then apply if your taking presentation stuff, samples, drugs firearms and cetera.

I regularly fly Glezga LHR.
I'm 25min from Glezga.
The longest part is from LHR to wherever in town.
40 min flight. 2 hours phaphery to/through airports at each end.

The jihadists won the war on modern civilisation when they forced efficient nations to empty their pockets at their airports.
The rag heads do not put up the same barriers to travel in their Cuntries. They hardly even check.
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I can't understand the high prices of train travel compared to flying.

Flying is so much cheaper, but makes Greta cry.

The only exception is traveling in style. My train commute to Coventry is £2 extra going first glass. When flying, first class is ... ermmmm quite a bit dearer.
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