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Genesys
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 16 Mar 2020    Post subject: A suitable and cheap motorcycle for the ULEZ Reply with quote
I'd like to come back to motorcycling after a 5 year break.

Back then there was no ridiculous ULEZ for motorcycles.

So I'm after a bike that is 500+ cc, cheap, cheap to run, ULEZ ok and not fugly.

My usual go to would be a 90s GPZ 500 because to my eye they actually look quite handsome (I find the later dual discs although better are uglier models colour wise). Also this rules out the older 70s,80s and early 90s bikes I love such as the GPZ900R, FZR 600 (which aren't so cheap anymore anyway).

Can anyone recommend anything to me? Appreciated thanks.
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sickpup
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 16 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
What do you consider cheap?
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Easy-X
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 16 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think the minimum is something like 2007 onward for simplicity. Earlier bikes might be acceptable but would require certification hoops to be jumped through.

Probably £1500 would be a starting point if you don't want a rusting heap Smile
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Genesys
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 16 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
sickpup wrote:
What do you consider cheap?


I can get a fairly low mileage 90s GPZ 500 for a grand, I'd say that is cheap. If it was something special other than a GPZ that I actually like I'd pay more.

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I think the minimum is something like 2007 onward for simplicity. Earlier bikes might be acceptable but would require certification hoops to be jumped through.

Probably £1500 would be a starting point if you don't want a rusting heap


Yea I'd be happy to go down the classification route if it meant I could get a bike I really enjoy, is it vehicle or model specific?
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 16 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Suzuki Address 110cc? 2017 plate.
I know one for sale. Mr. Green
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kolu
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 16 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Genesys wrote:

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I think the minimum is something like 2007 onward for simplicity. Earlier bikes might be acceptable but would require certification hoops to be jumped through.

Probably £1500 would be a starting point if you don't want a rusting heap


Yea I'd be happy to go down the classification route if it meant I could get a bike I really enjoy, is it vehicle or model specific?


TFL seems to consider anything registered on 2008 or later as ULEZ-compliant. Anything older needs CoC or emission testing per bike, so vehicle specific.
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PostPosted: 21:55 - 16 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
kozesluk wrote:

TFL seems to consider anything registered on 2008 or later as ULEZ-compliant. Anything older needs CoC or emission testing per bike, so vehicle specific.


You do NOT necessarily need a CoC to get an exemption. My bike was done on type approval data.
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PostPosted: 23:25 - 16 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pete. wrote:
You do NOT necessarily need a CoC to get an exemption. My bike was done on type approval data.


Ah, even better! What bike do you ride, if I might ask?
Was the type approval data supplied by manufacturer/dealer?
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 16 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
kozesluk wrote:
Pete. wrote:
You do NOT necessarily need a CoC to get an exemption. My bike was done on type approval data.


Ah, even better! What bike do you ride, if I might ask?
Was the type approval data supplied by manufacturer/dealer?


Yep, it was sent in an email by BMW for my 2004 R1100S. Others have followed suit an it seems like if the BMW is newer than 2002 they should be able to do the same.

https://www.boxertrix.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=23904&start=15#p195287
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Genesys
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PostPosted: 00:10 - 17 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
110cc is not 500+ cc!!

Pete. wrote:

Yep, it was sent in an email by BMW for my 2004 R1100S. Others have followed suit an it seems like if the BMW is newer than 2002 they should be able to do the same.

https://www.boxertrix.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=23904&start=15#p195287


Does this mean all the models of your beamer pass, or just your one?

I'd love an 80s GPZ 900R for example but would it pass? I don't want to buy a bike to find it won't pass!
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PostPosted: 00:30 - 17 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: 01:37 - 17 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
F****** ULEZ, man. You have the same tastes in bikes as me. GPZ900R, GPZ500S and FZR600 are fantastic bikes. No suggestions, sorry.
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Genesys
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PostPosted: 09:11 - 17 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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F****** ULEZ, man. You have the same tastes in bikes as me. GPZ900R, GPZ500S and FZR600 are fantastic bikes. No suggestions, sorry.


Indeed! There are many more I love likewise! VFR 400 NC 30 (Gotta love the RC30 750 but totally impractical in everyway). The early 90s Suzuki GSXR 750 (never owned either of these suzies or hondas but would love to). I like even older 50s and 60s stuff, Velocettes, Matchless, BSA (never owned a Velo yet though).

When it comes to Japanese bikes I'm gnerally a Kawasaki guy though.

What's the actual chance of getting the bike I want (**** ULEZ) and getting the paper work to get around it?

...and Tdibs thanks actually a quite helpful link (although I see some lawn mowers there Smile ).
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 17 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Easy: get a bike that's Euro3 compliant

Harder: get a bike that probably would be Euro3 compliant if the manufacturers bothered to test the model. You would need a letter from the manufacturers stating the emissions data for the particular model. Anything around the mid 2000s would probably be fine if it's not 2-stroke.

Tricky: get a bike that the manufacturers go "errr... dunno" then you have to get a specialist garage to test the bike's emissions.
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 17 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Genesys wrote:
What's the actual chance of getting the bike I want (**** ULEZ) and getting the paper work to get around it?


You would need to get it to pass Euro 3 standards. Riverbank Motorcycles can carry out a TfL-approved test which will prove your bike meets those standards. There are some adjustments you'll need to carry out before the test. I was considering this for my old Diversion, but decided it wasn't really worth it for a faultless but not-very-interesting bike. For something like a FZR600 in good nick, this is the method I'd choose. The chances are pretty good, I'd say, but you will need to talk to Riverbank and there will be some mechanical work involved. The test will cost a couple of hundred quid plus however much they would charge in labour.
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 18 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Really helpful, thank you everyone.
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 19 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Although I have a recent post complaining about it 😂I have a 2006 cbf500 abs that is compliant. All I had to do is email honda asking for a certificate. I've now sorted my bike and it's superb for commuting (even with me being 180cm and 107kg). If you want a bit more power I'd just get a cbf600 abs. Either is easily available in your budget.
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