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mark.capp
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 12 Apr 2020    Post subject: Changing Moped Tyres Reply with quote

Hi,

Im in need to change both tyres on my aerox 50cc. Instead of paying £10 each time they need replacing i was looking at buying couple of g clamps and bars to change them ? is it that hard ? or is it just as easy to pay £10 each time to replace them ?

Any other methods people use to change them ?
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 12 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get some proper tyre levers and rim protectors. You'll do a lot more damage than £10 worth if you don't use the right gear.
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 12 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tubeless I spose?
you'll mebbe be needing a can of Lynx as well
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 12 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How do you plan on balancing them.


On a fucking moped?
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 12 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having stripped down a bike to the frame and built it back up again I can definitely say the only thing that wasn't fun and/or interesting was changing tyres. £10 isn't much.
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 12 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I change tubed tyres, mostly, but it's still a PITA and often less hassle to get the tyre shop to do them. I don't touch tubeless, too much like hard work.

You got a compressor too? Because those diddy tyres can be a sod to get up onto the rim.

I'd just pay the tenner. It's not like you'll be going through loads of tyres.

It starts getting worth having the gear to do your own if you do lots of miles/tackdays etc.
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 13 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its pointless balancing tyres on a moped. The wheels dont spin fast enough on something restricted to 28 mph.
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 13 Apr 2020    Post subject: Re: Changing Moped Tyres Reply with quote

mark.capp wrote:
i was looking at buying couple of g clamps and bars to change them ? is it that hard ? or is it just as easy to pay £10 each time to replace them ??

You'll want a pair of tyre levers like the dark ones below (eBay). DO NOT buy the silver-coloured type, they will damage your tyre/rim. You'll also want some "tyre paste", although you can also make do with washing-up liquid. You need a way of breaking the grip of the tyre bead on the rim, too, there are various videos showing people being inventive. DO NOT let your fingers get anywhere near being under the tyre bead. Then you need access to a compressor to inflate the tyre when you've changed it. A thing for unscrewing the inside of the valve is useful too, when you blow the tyre up first time, do it without the valve inner in, it will inflate much better and seat more easily, then let it down, put the valve inner back in and reinflate.

As well as the £10 for tyre change you can save buying the tyres yourself rather than through the shop (unless you're already doing that ofc).


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PostPosted: 12:14 - 13 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Think about that statement for a minute.

The 13" wheels on a moped are spinning 2.5 times faster than the 17" wheels on a motorcycle at any given speed, because the rolling circumference is 20.3" as opposed to 53". (diameter x pi)

At 30mph, those moped wheels are spinning as fast as the 17" wheels on a motorcycle doing 75mph.

Carry on.


Although the momentary force exerted by any imbalance is significantly less because the rim is closer to the centre of rotation.

Many automatic mopeds rear wheels never get balanced anyway because they don't have a bearing. You'd need an arbour to mount them on the balancer. Much like motorbikes with single sided swingarms.
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 13 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Its pointless balancing tyres on a moped. The wheels dont spin fast enough on something restricted to 28 mph.


Think about that statement for a minute.

The 13" wheels on a moped are spinning 2.5 times faster than the 17" wheels on a motorcycle at any given speed, because the rolling circumference is 20.3" as opposed to 53". (diameter x pi)

At 30mph, those moped wheels are spinning as fast as the 17" wheels on a motorcycle doing 75mph.

Carry on.


Rolling circumference of a 13 inch wheel is 20.5 inches?

You really fucked that up.its nearer 40 inches.

This means your assumption of rpm is fucked up as well. At most it will be spinning about 1.25 times as fast. Which is so insignificant at 28 mph that it's not even worth considering.
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 13 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Its pointless balancing tyres on a moped. The wheels dont spin fast enough on something restricted to 28 mph.


Think about that statement for a minute.

The 13" wheels on a moped are spinning 2.5 times faster than the 17" wheels on a motorcycle at any given speed, because the rolling circumference is 20.3" as opposed to 53". (diameter x pi)

At 30mph, those moped wheels are spinning as fast as the 17" wheels on a motorcycle doing 75mph.

Carry on.


Not saying they don't need balancing but the difference is significant.

Big bike tyre - larger mass of unbalance acting on larger radius.

Scooter tyre - smaller mass of unbalance acting on smaller radius.

They are however a right bastard to change without a machine and without damaging the rim, compared to a 17" tyre.

Pirellis excepted they are always a bastard.
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 13 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, we kind of got side tracked with the balancing bit.
The point a few of us were making, was that you need s but more than 2 G clamps and some old screwdrivers to change them.


You fucked up your math and are trying to distract.


Again.
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 13 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oooh look at that hissy fit karma as a result.
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 14 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You fucked up your math and are trying to distract.
Again.


Says the bloke who couldn't work out that a smaller wheel will rotate faster than a larger wheel at any given speed.

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Its pointless balancing tyres on a moped. The wheels dont spin fast enough on something restricted to 28 mph.


Rolling Eyes


Actually I said it would spin faster but not 2.5 times faster because I can get the math right.
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 14 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

76 inches is 125% of 60 inches (approx.)

Not 250%.

Edit, but you said 2.5 times. Its definately not 375% of the size.
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 14 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

here you go
https://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/newtonian/centrifugal

keep the linear speed and it gives an interesting answer:

F = m * ( v^2 / r^2 ) * r = m * v^2 / r

ref.: https://physicsnet.co.uk/a-level-physics-as-a2/further-mechanics/circular-motion/

as m (the imbalance) and v (outer diameter speed) are constant (well, not, but lets assume) the force applied to the whole system is actually increasing as your wheel diameter decreases.
although at 30 mph it might be still fuck all.
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 15 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pass the popcorn
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 15 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Actually I said it would spin faster but not 2.5 times faster because I can get the math right.


You didn't though. You were as out as my basic example, which was a quick demonstration, just based on the wheel size, not the tyre.

Include the tyre and it's even higher than 40" at 60.1". If you're going to mock, it helps if you were right with your "math" too "pardner". Thumbs Up

Tire Size Comparison
Specification Sidewall Radius Diameter Circumference Revs/Mile Difference
130/60-13 3.1in 9.6in 19.1in 60.1in 1054 0.0%
190/50-17 3.7in 12.2in 24.5in 76.9in 824 27.9%

At any given speed, it's spinning 28% faster than a normal 17" wheel and tyre.


Have you noted that he suggests that I'd calculated it at 40 inches when it was actually him that did.


Fucking deranged.....
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